NOE push through sizing dies ?

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R. Dupraz posted this 30 December 2015

Any one used NOE's push through body and nose sizing dies? Results? Opinions?

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John Alexander posted this 30 December 2015

RD, I just order a set.  When they came they were beautiful as expected but I haven't been home since the day after they came.  I will try them out soon and report. John

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R. Dupraz posted this 30 December 2015

Jonhn:    I like the concept of interchangeable bushings. Particularly the ability to nose size with different diameters.  And with the NOE quality, thinking of ordering myself.

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Scearcy posted this 30 December 2015

Give us a report, John!  I think there will be much demand.  I really like NOE'S stuff.

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OU812 posted this 30 December 2015

For sizing bullet bands the Lee sizing kit is FAR easier to set up and requires less arm strength. The NOE starts sizing bullet way too soon, requiring a pulling action on press handle (more side loading on ram).

I have not tried sizing bore ride section yet. IMO a blank case sizing die “honed to spec” will work better.

The biggest advantage the NOE has is more sizing diameter options.

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Scearcy posted this 30 December 2015

I ordered mine today. I am much more interested in being able to size a nose if required.

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John Alexander posted this 31 December 2015

Just got home today so still haven't used the dies but OU812 is obviously right because the sizing takes place below the die holding threads the mechanical advantage is much less but I don't think that will bother me since I am mostly interested in the nose sizing.

If just sizing bands the Lee push throughs are hard to beat.  Low cost and easily lapped out to the diameter you want.

John

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Paul Pollard posted this 19 January 2016

JHS wrote: I ordered mine today. I am much more interested in being able to size a nose if required. Did you get your die yet? 

 Interested in your work with the 300 BLK. I'm using a homemade die to get the nose sized to fit. NOE's is probably a lot smoother than mine.

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Scearcy posted this 19 January 2016

The NOE sizing bushings are not beveled so they shave rather than swage if you are trying to size very much.  Also in a Rock Chucker the sizing takes place well before you get into the max leverage of the stroke.  The concept is good but I would opine that you are not ready for production as soon as you unpackage the die. Paul I am writing a 3 part article about the 300 BLK for the FS.  The first installment will be in the March-April edition as I understand it.  PM me and we can email directly. Jim

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R. Dupraz posted this 19 January 2016

JHS;

Have you tried sizing any noses yet? Do those dies shave the noses too?

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Pigslayer posted this 19 January 2016

How about some pics guys!!

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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jeff houck posted this 19 January 2016

I've just now received my NOE push through sizing die in .379 dia. I read the post about the die being sharp edged and therefore shaves lead. My die is rounded not sharp edged.  I've sized 100 .383 bullets down to .379 and did not shave off any lead. It did a very nice job of swagging them down concentrically. 

After the initial cost of the die body, each separate sizing die is only $9.75, and can be had in .001 increments opposed to LEE's $38.00 cost for a custom diameter die.

Hope this helps anyone who is deciding to try this product.

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jeff houck posted this 19 January 2016

I forgot to add that the finish work on this die set is outstanding!

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Scearcy posted this 19 January 2016

It is the nose sizing bushings that have a sharp edge. The base sizing bushings do indeed have a good radius.

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Scearcy posted this 19 January 2016

Here is a picture.  You can bevel the nose bushings with a dremel tool.  This certainly helps.  I think if you only size .001 or at the very most .002 at a time, the nose bushings will work.  I have beveled mine but I need to polish the bevel also which I have not done.

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beltfed posted this 22 January 2016

If you don't screw the NOE die in all the way into the press, you will be more into the power part of the press stroke.??? beltfed/arnie

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

No, the die screws in from the bottom.  I'll try to post a picture later on.

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

Here are the pictures.  You can see that these are well made and very high quality. The first picture has the nose punch inserted in the sizing die

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

The second picture has the punch set upside down on the top of the press.  The bullet is pushed in from the bottom and the punch is tapped with a mallet to remove the bullet.

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

The third picture is a top view of two of the sizing bushings.  There is a 310 for sizing the base and then a 300 for sizing the nose.  These bushings are held in place by the set screw in the side of the die body.

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

The last picture is a profile view of the sizing bushings.  Be sure to lube the bullet nose before sizing.  I use RCBS case lube.  STP would likely work or perhaps a moly grease.

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

I hope these help clarify the discussion for anyone interested.  NOE has given us a flexible tool here. We'll figure out the press leverage issue.

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

One more picture. You obviously do not need the punch when using the die as a push through die.  This picture has a push through sleeve in place as well as another push through sleeve inverted on the top of the press.  These are held in place by the second set screw on the side of the die body.

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beltfed posted this 22 January 2016

JHS,Thanks for the pics. That explains the setup and I can see there is no way to get the die mounted so one can get into the peak power portion of a loading press stroke. too bad. Meanwhile, I have been doing some nose sizing in the Lyman and RCBS sizer luber machines. Managed to pick up .300, .301, .299 H&I size dies on ebay  several yrs ago. Also can do nose sizing of  bullets for my 40-65 and 40-72 with a 0.401” H&I die. Its just a bit more work in the luber sizers that have less power. One thing about nose sizing in the NOE die-- a person should have some kind of a stop on the stroke, so as to nose size to the same “depth” on each bullet.....Perhaps a simple block or bar stop on the ram? Or could a person use the nose/eject punch for that purpose? beltfed/arnie

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Scearcy posted this 22 January 2016

ArnieYou are correct about the need for a positive stop when sizing bullet noses. I have thought about this some but until we find the logical solution to the leverage issue, one can't be sure what the final press layout will be.Jim

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Newt posted this 22 January 2016

Thanks for posting this. I too was curious how it sized the nose and what kept you from going into the driving bands. I guess the answer is nothing. Maybe that's why they have a sharper edge? To give you a feel for when it is at the bottom of the nose?

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beltfed posted this 22 January 2016

style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"ONe thought to solve BOTH the leverage and the “stop” issue for nose sizing is to replace the linkage on a press with shorter ones.  Then, the press can return to a full,but shorter stroke for its max leverage AND, one can then adjust the NOE die such that one can set it for exactly the depth the nose goes into the die.  Or use a shortened ram.... style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"I have a Tru-Line Jr press with a 7/8-14 turret,  where it would be easy to replace the side links. But I don't know if it will be strong/ridgid enough to work accurately for nose sizing. style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"Otherwise, may pick up another second hand press if I can find one reasonably priced... style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"At least, should not have to do a background check on the press.........for now........... style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" Don't care to change out my Rockchucker that is used for a lot of other work. beltfed/arnie

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mtngun posted this 27 January 2016

It's too bad the NOE die is not-so-hot for nose-sizing.    They seem built to a price point rather than built for quality.   In fairness, it's not clear that there is a market for quality dies.

Buckshot offers nose dies that use Redding neck sizing bushings, I believe.  I have not used Buckshot's dies and do not know whether they provide sufficient taper, or sufficient support for the rest of the bullet.

It is best if the body of the bullet is supported while the nose is being sized.   The ideal nose die swallows most of the bullet (see generic drawing below).   If you have a lathe these are not difficult to make. 

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reggleston posted this 22 October 2016

Currently using NOE's push thru body sizing dies in multiple calibers. Super product built on state of the art NC machines. Highly reccommend!

R D Eggleston

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cba_admin posted this 26 October 2016

I am having a problem with the nose sizer.  My 311299 is casting noses at .302-.3025 and I an sizing them to .301.  The problem is that the sizing die shaves lead from the nose.  It is a very thin ribbon but still it is a shaving.  Has anyone had this happen and if so did you get it fixed?

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R. Dupraz posted this 26 October 2016

That is a problem with the nose bushings.     I have bushings for my 30's, 7mm's and recently a .224. Just radiusing the entrance of the nose sizer with a dremel doesn't work very well. I chuck the nose bushing in the lathe and put a very small taper just inside the entrance and then radius the sharp edge of the bottom. Then, following this, polish the inside while blending the above together.      After the above, they work perfectly. Even when sizing the 7mm nose riders down .003".  

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R. Dupraz posted this 27 October 2016

Another glitch with the nose sizer is that the base of the bullet needs to sit on top of the push pin perfectly aligned with with the axis of the nose sizer bushing and die body. If not, one side of the bushing will shave lead. Or at the very least size the nose out of round with the base. Tough to do just by guess and feel.                   I made a sleeve that is a sliding fit over the pin for each cal. that I have and about 1/4 inch longer than the pin. The base of the bullet then fits inside the sleeve and is automatically aligned perfectly with the nose bushing.      

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