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joeb33050 posted this 07 August 2018

 

Telescopic sights

 Scope power and price do not affect accuracy in categories >1”.

Threshold: I’ve had Weaver V9 and K10, Lyman STS, Unertl, Litschert/Davis, Fecker, Tasco and other scopes, many of which have been satisfactory for benchrest shooting. A threshold scope must be adjustable to remove parallax. (I have removed parallax from fixed objective scopes by adjusting the objective)

An example of a threshold scope: From Midway, the Simmons Whitetail Classic 6.5-20 50mm Adjustable Objective. Today, 8/7/18, $109.99, free shipping and a $20 rebate from Simmons. I’ve had 2, have 1 now on a Ruger Charger with a Kidd barrel. I took it to the range yesterday to check the scope, which is as bright and clear as a bell. The disadvantage of this and other threshold scopes is that W and E settings aren’t numeric, can’t be recorded. Easily.

When groups are >1”, a scope “better” than a threshold scope will not reduce group size.

 

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pat i. posted this 07 August 2018

Scopes aren't only about being clear and bright. Repeatabilty and durability rank up there pretty high and I think that's where you get your money's worth when paying more. Bright and clear aren't worth much if you can't depend on it staying adjusted and holding together.

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joeb33050 posted this 07 August 2018

Scopes aren't only about being clear and bright. Repeatabilty and durability rank up there pretty high and I think that's where you get your money's worth when paying more. Bright and clear aren't worth much if you can't depend on it staying adjusted and holding together.
Durability. The Simmons is Backed by a limited lifetime factory warranty. Repeatability is not germane, since there are no numbers on the turrets. I have T36 scopes, had to send 1 back for a fix. Love 'em. There are enough horror stories on the net about Leupold etc to  question. I think a scope is a delicate instrument, and must be handled with care. I think back 50 years about what we paid for pretty sorry scopes-we/the Asians have come a long way.
A few years back I bought a pair of Zeiss binoculars in a leather case. Old. Compared them to our $39 Tasco, Tasco won by a landslide. I printed, faintly, "E. Rommel" inside the leather case, and sold them at a big profit next flea.

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pat i. posted this 07 August 2018

. I printed, faintly, "E. Rommel" inside the leather case, and sold them at a big profit next flea.

 

LOL! You're a piece of work. It's good to see you're not a crab ass ALL the time. 

How in the heck do you put a small picture on here when you like something??

 

 

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OU812 posted this 07 August 2018

I wish someone would make an affordable fixed 35 power scope with 30mm tube. No spotting scope needed when shooting paper targets. My Leupold 35 power cost about $800.00 on sale. 

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Scearcy posted this 07 August 2018

OU812

You might look at the SWFA 20 x 42 30MM scope $299. I use a 12X on a rifle I never shoot more than 100 yards. It works fine. I use a 20X Sightron at 200 yards which is fine for 30 caliber but gets marginal for smaller bullet holes. It would probably not be enough if you want to put it on your 223.

Jim

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joeb33050 posted this 07 August 2018

Some at Old Colony shot 222 and other 22s at 200 yards offhand in Sunday matches, and we never found a spotting scope that would reliably see 22 holes in the black. But, with a shot-out backer and snow on the ground, it was easy to see holes in the black.

I looked through every new scope there for ~25 years to compare, one guy had a Celestron reflector. Power didn't seem to have anything to do with ability to see the holes. Bigger was brighter but more wiggly.

Doe3s anyone have a scope that will reliably see 22 holes in the black at 200 yards?

(I compensated by keeping most holes in the white. )

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John Alexander posted this 07 August 2018

When conditions are right (wrong) I haven't found anything that will reliably let you see 22 bullet holes at 200 in the white or black -- even the $1,000+ jobs.  Sure would like to though ,it plays hell with the score if you can't see'em. Maybe it's my ancient eyes?

John

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beltfed posted this 07 August 2018

Now there is an alternative:

Target Cams. 

beltfed/arnie

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jchiggins posted this 07 August 2018

Now there is an alternative:

Target Cams. 

beltfed/arnie

That's probably the way to go.

For my very short distance home range, I use a surveillance camera connected to a TV via DVD player.  The 19" TV was $24 dollars from goodwill.  As you said, a wireless setup  would work; maybe even one of the remote cameras you can connect to via the Internet.  Might not be legal at some gun clubs though. 

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David Reiss posted this 08 August 2018

For a few years I have been trying out some Mueller scopes and have found them to be clear and repeatable. So to a great degree I agree with Joe. The quality between expensive and cheap scopes has narrowed very much. 

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BigMan54 posted this 08 August 2018

Joeb33050,

I don't believe I would enter into any financial transactions or swaps with you.

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.

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joeb33050 posted this 08 August 2018

Now there is an alternative:

Target Cams. 

beltfed/arnie

That's probably the way to go.

For my very short distance home range, I use a surveillance camera connected to a TV via DVD player.  The 19" TV was $24 dollars from goodwill.  As you said, a wireless setup  would work; maybe even one of the remote cameras you can connect to via the Internet.  Might not be legal at some gun clubs though. 

 

A fellow came to the Trail Glades Range a few years ago, set up a cell phone on a short tripod in front of the target and looked at his target on another cell phone at the bench. He got a lot of interest, never was seen again. Another puzzlement for me.

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R. Dupraz posted this 08 August 2018

Targetvision

 

R.

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