CALLED FLYERS, HOW I HANDLE THEM
I shoot 5-shot groups almost exclusively.
Now and then I yank a bullet out of the group.
If I call the flyer BEFORE I look through the scope, I shoot a sixth shot.
That’s my rule.
I very seldom shoot a sixth shot. Very seldom.
I normally shoot five groups per load, and load 26 cartridges. The left-overs are my foulers, for next time.
joe b.
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joeb
Excellent!
"Now and then I yank a bullet out of the group.
If I call the flyer BEFORE I look through the scope, I shoot a sixth shot.
That’s my rule."
That's my rule also except I most often shoot 10 shot groups when testing. Thus I would shoot an additional shot or two if needed to bring the group of ten "good" shots (those not called as flyers). However, sometimes as in the recent weight sort test, there aren't enough rounds available. With that I go with the results minus the called shot.
LMG
Concealment is not cover.........
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I see each called flier as an acknowledgement that I shouldn't have pulled the trigger. You can evolve past that by concentrating to see the bullet in flight as your follow through to upgrade your marksmanship skill level and eliminate fliers due to bench manners.
Gary
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Gary:
Exactly! When I am shooting my best, I can watch the flight of the bullet all of the way to the target. Up here in Minnesota I have not been able to do that in the winter but on a summer morning before the breeze comes up they are easily seen. I see the passage of the bullets as concentric waves much like tossing a stone in a pond. If the light is right you can see the bullet as an arcing spec in the center of the waves. You will never see this phenomena when you loose a "flyer". I have seen this with as little as 12X magnification.
Jim
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I see each called flier as an acknowledgement that I shouldn't have pulled the trigger.
Now ain't that the truth.......sometimes other factors you can't control are a bad influence.
As to watching the bullets in flight.......at the velocity(s) used in my test they are moving a bit too fast and there's a bit too much recoil.
LMG
Concealment is not cover.........
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Larry
I certainly agree with you. Occasionally I can see this effect with a 221 Fireball when shooting prairie dogs as there is very little recoil and lots of room. It is rarely seen with a 22-250 and not often at all with a 308 unless velocities are kept below 1600-1700 fps. I do recall that this effect was visible at the 2010 Nationals with a 308 but it was a very humid day and a light load.
Jim
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... gotta mention shooting a match 22 rf with a 16-36 power scope ... at 50 yards watching a little black honey bee spiral and dodge all the way into the target ... and usually ignoring the 3 or 4 windflags set up immediately on the desired path . btw wind rarely blows steadily ... more like the current in the whitewater stretch of a river rapids ...
... but i still like the movies where the sniper makes a cold shot at 1400 yards ... my heroes ...
ken
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Greetings,
As part of my mis-spent youth of 26 years with the Army and Army Reserves, I have had occasion to watch artillery shells go down range, and once in a while there would seem to be a flier. To me it was interesting to see the difference in arc of 105 howitzers, 8-inch guns, and 175 guns. At the same target using all three guns in demonstrations the rounds could be followed down range visually; the 105 had a huge arc, the 8-inch a moderate arc, the 175 had almost no arc. When in RVN I never did see any rounds in the air, but then never really tried to watch for them. Fliers then were a bit more interesting at times than fliers on the range now. Having a weapons platoon in Korea I called off a demonstration of my mortar section firing once due to damp powder giving a really short flier; caught **** or my decision at the time, but after lengthy explanation to my battalion commander he supported my decision to much higher brass due to situation.
As far as measuring my groups with the 45-70, I normally check after each shot, and if I call a flier I check to see if my call is correct, and when I measure the group I measure with and without the flier. My thought is one measurement tells what the load and rifle do, the other measures what the load, rifle and shooter do. If I am hunting or in a match, the flier counts, and I want to know how well I perform not at my best. Since I shoot BP, I have yet to see one of my rounds going down range. I was told a mixture of lube and BP in the hollow base would act like a tracer with the smoke. Tried it. Didn't work for me. So, now I just look through the scope afterwards or walk down range.
TK
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