Lead in the environment

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RicinYakima posted this 4 weeks ago

Before retiring as the WA State equivalent of the EPA, I was also the president of the local Rifle and Pistol Club. WA was proposing to "remove" all lead from the environment. The leading cause of lead in fish, birds and people is still the lead from gasoline sold in the US from 1927 until about 2004. It is still sold in over 125 countries. Tetraethyl-lead in the exhaust settled along the roads and as it oxidized entered into the wild animals and fish. Sinkers on your fishing line had nothing to do with it. Bullets from pistols and rifles had nothing to do with it. Only shotgun shot, laying under water and oxidizing posed a hazard for bottom feeding ducks. Now after 40 years, it is no longer an issue. Congratulations to Secretary Zinke for using science to make regulations that are effective.

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JeffinNZ posted this 4 weeks ago

Lead comes from the environment to begin with.  I am merely returning is to it's home.  Sorta like replanting trees really.

Cheers from New Zealand

papertrl posted this 4 weeks ago

Nice to have that perspective, Ric. Shooters have been demonized for too long.

Old Coot posted this 4 weeks ago

Tetra-ethyl-lead is also responsible for at least one case of "modern" lead poisoning. 

An elderly lady (before 1973) who was worried about osteoporosis got into the habit of taking large amounts of Calcium tablets every day.  The tablets were primarily crushed and powdered egg shells mixed with food grade binder and formed into the tablets.  You don't put egg ranches far from major highways.  Too much breakage occurs in transit.  The chickens were constantly exposed to the motor vehicle exhaust containing tetra-ethyl-lead, and assimilated it into their bodies.  Their ovaries unable to distinguish the Pb++ from Ca++ (ionic lead from ionic calcium) utilized it in making the egg shells.  When the victim constantly consumed large quantities of the supplement she built up a high enough blood level lead that it finally caused her enough neurological problems that she expired.

Tragic as this is it doesn't hold a candle to the woman who thought apple seeds were a great treat, and saved up a couple of cups of them.  Apple seeds contain a small amount of cyanide.  She consumed so many at one time that the resulting massive anemia lead to her demise.  Again illustrating that you can have too much a  good thing.

Brodie

 

David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 4 weeks ago

Jeff,

Now that would be awesome, lead trees, the leaves could be of pure lead (depending on the species, there could be linotype trees) and fall on the ground for picking up. Just don't be under the tree when it begins to shed it's leaves. 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
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Old Coot posted this 3 weeks ago

Those leaves would be hard to compost .

David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 3 weeks ago

Old Coot,

I disagree. I have three big safes full of lead composters. laughing

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys & Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

Pepe Ray posted this 2 weeks ago

The fear of lead and the promotion of same by the government sponsored agencies is the single most relevant issue responsible for

our diminishing C.B.A. population. Until the propaganda can be exposed to the nation as the great lie that it is we will never see an increase in our casting fraternity population.  Ignorance of the truth about lead will always dominate the consciousness of a tyro.  Until the populace will refute the misinformation you will be frustrated in your efforts to grow.

Just my $0.02

Pepe Ray 

Only in His name.

Old Coot posted this 2 weeks ago

Pepe Ray;

Getting the public to believe the truth about lead is going to be very difficult.  They already have been brain washed (it was an easy job because they seldom use their brains), and once the idea is firmly stuck in concrete (their skulls) getting it out ain't gonna be easy.

For example:  "The high concentration of lead in the soils along our roads is due to the lead wheel weights."  The fact that 70 or 80 years of travel by vehicles burning leaded gasoline along those roads is not an issue.

Brodie

4570sharps posted this 2 weeks ago

Several years ago some liberal politicians were trying to shut down shooting ranges.........calling them toxic waste dumps! Give me a break!

John Alexander posted this 2 weeks ago

Pepe Ray wrote:

"The fear of lead and the promotion of same by the government sponsored agencies is the single most relevant issue responsible for our diminishing C.B.A. population. Until the propaganda can be exposed to the nation as the great lie that it is we will never see an increase in our casting fraternity population.  Ignorance of the truth about lead will always dominate the consciousness of a tyro.  Until the populace will refute the misinformation you will be frustrated in your efforts to grow."

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Pepe,

I agree that there is a lot of silly hype about lead and shooting along with some problems (dead ducks from lead shot) now solved.  However, I want to correct the impression that the CBA is shrinking.

 

 At near 1,600 our membership has a couple of hundred more members than it had in 2000 and of course many more than it had in the early years.  Membership goes up and down with time and right now it is going up.

 

I have belonged to the CBA for 40 years and practically from the start people have said the CBA is dying because our members tend to be older than average and old people die. To paraphrase  Mark Twain, the report of our death is exaggerated. 

 

I think the latest Fouling Shot, which most of you haven’t received yet, is one of the best in years.  It is not the product of a dying organization. If we enjoy CBA membership and want it to continue we should be talking it up, participating in the forum, writing that article for the Fouling Shot you have been thinking about, and maybe recruiting a new member once in a while.

As long as we have people willing to pitch in and do the work we will be hard to kill.

 

 John 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Pepe Ray posted this 1 weeks ago

I apologize for implying "membership growth shrinkage". I was referring to "rate of growth" as in "number of new members per X time vs previous periods". This probably sounds like I'm dabbling in statistics and keeping records. Nope!. It is great if we can claim an increased rate of growth. 

I was attempting to encourage the membership for any sign of progress against the proper-gander machine.

Pepe Ray

Only in His name.

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