Taurus PT92

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alco posted this 11 January 2017

Does anyone have any experience with shooting lead in the PT92 ?

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 11 January 2017

Yes I do, quite a bit. What can I help you with?

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alco posted this 11 January 2017

First off, how dependable is the pistol.  Second what diameter bullets do you shoot.  I'm trying to find an economical 9mm pistol that doesn't lead the barrel.

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 11 January 2017

The pistol is very reliable, it will feed most every bullet design, cast or jacketed without a hitch. Leading is going to be prevented or limited by the ammo and not the gun itself. I would slug the bore to get the groove diameter so you can match the CB, but in my experience .356-.357 is probably going to be the diameter you will find works best. Unless you cast your own, purchasing CBs may be by trial & error. Most commercial CBs are cast with an alloy to hard and most times undersized. You can find some makers who will offer the size you need, but not always cast from a soft enough allow. If you cast your bullets from an COWW, without hardening, and size them to your bore, you will experience little to no leading. 

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onondaga posted this 11 January 2017

 alco

The fit test for your PT92 is the same as any other type action for cast bullets. Make a dummy with an inked bullet and drop it in. It should NOT drop all the way in but take a 1-2 pound finger push to fully chamber the round and the ink should show slide marking on the front driving band. Any smaller than a sliding fit reduces accuracy potential and increases leading potential. When your  bullets fit and are the right strength for your load level, your PT92 will shoot more accurately and cleaner with cast bullets than it does with jacketed bullets. You need BHN 15 alloy for a load level that cycles the PT92.  Hardball Pistol and Lyman #2 are BHN 15..

Gary

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SierraHunter posted this 12 January 2017

Unfortunately I don't own that model pistol or a 9mm, but I do reload for several 45 ACP. I've found in my 45s my bullets can't be more then .0005” over size or they will not go into battery every time reliably. Since I strive for 100% function dependability, I size mine right at .451” (.355” in 9mm) I get excellent accuracy with SAAMI diameter cast bullets out of all my 45s, but use a soft bullet so they obturate a bit, usually about 9 BHN.

If you are just plinking, and don't care if it hangs up now and then, I would go .001".

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10Speed posted this 12 January 2017

I have had a Taurus PT99AF for years.  The PT99 is the satin nickel version.  Mine is old enough that the safety is on the frame and not on the slide.  Anyway, mine has been very reliable.  I shoot jacketed, plated, and lead bullets with no problems.  It is pleasant to shoot, and in my opinion it is precise... shoots a good group when I do my art.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 12 January 2017

most commercial bullets are cast from  * hardball * ... 92-6-2 ....with this medium hardness it is best if the bullets are a slip fit in the chamber ... ,,,as large as they still chamber reliably ...

one commercial caster is extreme bullets ... new guys and frequent specials have free shipping .

ken

 

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 12 January 2017

Commercial cast bullets are a crapshoot as far as I'm concerned. Everybody's uncle tries the cast bullet business, that why you see so many at gun shows or in ads, then 6 months later they are out of business. They produce hard alloy bullets with hard lubes for one simple reason, durability in shipping. If they cast them soft enough to obturate, with softer lubes, then they arrive at the customer's door looking like they have been tumbled with concrete chunks. So they cast them hard to survive the perils of shipping. This accounts for about 80-90% of the makers.

But then there makers that know what it takes to make a good cast bullets. You can tell by their advertising: offering different sized bullets, varying alloys and unsized as cast bullets, some even unlubed. A good representative of this type of company is the “Missouri Bullet Company".

You will always be able to cast a better bullet on your own.

The recommendation to have a light pressure fit scares me. It that scenario there is the possibility that the bullet could be pushed into the case when chambering causing excessive pressure. I have loaded hundreds of thousands rounds of 9mm, 45acp and to a lesser extent .40 S&W, always having the largest bullet that will chamber, closely matching the groove diameter and just touching the rifling on a drop fit, with no added push. A slip fit as Ken put its, his reasoning is sound. 

Again CB size for the 9mm is going to be normally, .356 - .357. Rarely will a .355 work for CBs, but is nominal for jacketed slugs.

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Scearcy posted this 12 January 2017

I just placed my order for a Ruger LCR 9MM.  The first order of business will be to develop a target load which shoots to POA.  Everything I have read is that the typical LCR9 shoots low with light bullet defense loads.  Fair enough. It seems as though a heavier bullet loaded to be subsonic should shoot much closer to POA.  I do not own a 9MM bullet mold yet.  Before I order one I thought I  would tap the expertise available here.  My thoughts at this point are a 130 gr to 147 gr bullet loaded 800fps to 950 fps.  Input? Ideas? Guidance?  I intend to shoot this load in at least one of my full size 9MM pistols also.

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 12 January 2017

I prefer the truncated cone designs, they feed well and hit hard. Heavy TC designs are few for the 9mm, however there are some .38/.357 CB which will work in the 9mm. The Lee 358-140-SWC, NOE 358-155-TC, Arsenal 359-130 RF and the RCBS 9mm-147-FN would all be good choices. I have all of these and they feed well in all my 9mms, about 17 different models. In my experience, 9mms are the easiest of all the common auto calibers, .380acp, .40S&W & .45acp, to get to feed flawlessly with most all bullet designs. 

 

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SierraHunter posted this 12 January 2017

I think it's fair to say that the bullets don't need to be over sized to shoot well. They just have to be soft enough to expand to the groove diameter under the pressure the cartridge produces. The bullets I used for this group were about 8.5-9 BHN and sized .451” before and after PC.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 12 January 2017

for revolvers my first choice is wadcutters....for target, plink, or carry.    you can load heavier for carry if you like but practice with them for sight verification .  for my little j frame 38 i stick with factory wadcutter loads even for carry .

measure/gauge your chamber throats before buying a mold ...even a 9mm might prefer a 0.357 sized bullet .... so if you have 38 special molds you might be already set up .

jim, if you wanna play, i have 2 or 6 of 38 molds you could borrow for testing ... the shotgun mode we casters all go through ... ( g ) .

ken

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alco posted this 14 January 2017

Back to the PT92, I've seen on some forums and YouTube that they have had problems with the locking block after a few thousand rounds.  How many rounds have you put thru your PT92 ?

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 14 January 2017

My PT92 and my son's Taurus PT92 clone in .40 S&W have had somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000 to 5000 rounds through them. Officers that began to carry them beginning in the early to mid 80s and worked for the department I trained at, were required to fire 600 rounds a year and many carried them their whole career. Issues were very few and mostly came down to damaged mags from abuse. I would not hesitate to buy one if you like the feel of it. There are a lot of great 9mms that have been made and this is one.

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
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Pigslayer posted this 13 February 2018

Does anyone have any experience with shooting lead in the PT92 ? 

I owned a Taurus PT92 & absolutely loved it. It fit my large hand comfortably & was very accurate. My home was broke into, vandalized & the pistol was stolen due that it was the only one not in the gunsafe. It was a fine weapon & I loved it. I've never been a big automatic fan but this was an exception. I loaded both cast & jacketed for it & it always performed well.

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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BigMan54 posted this 14 February 2018

My only experience with the PT-92 was trying to develop loads that would work AND hit the target in my Buddy's pistol. It wouldn't function with my standard 9MM load of the LYMAN # 356402 cast of LINO, sized .356dia over 4.4grs of Bullseye. That load was designed to function in a LUGER & P-38. The only load that worked was REM-UMC plain box 115grs JKTD RN. We tried the SAECO #384 115gr RN & the RCBS 9mm-115-RN, with UNIQUE & a couple more powders I can't remember. Even some SIERRA FMJ. He bought 2 spare mags and neither would work in the pistol. They refused to seat.

He sent the pistol and all 3 magazines back to Taurus. It came back with 4 magazines and a new barrel and slide. 

Then it feed anything & everything without a single malfunction that I know of. This was almost 30yrs ago and I/he must have loaded at least 10,000rds of ammo on my Progressive before he got his own 15yrs ago. Couldn't tell ya how many rounds he put through that gun. But he brought it EVERY TIME we went to the pistol range together.

GOOd LORD, He loved to shoot that gun. He bought a lot of BEAR CREEK MOLY bullets for it while they were still around.

Back in those days Manufacturers/Importers still stood behind there products.

WARNING THAT LOAD WITH THE #356402 & 4.4grs of BULLSEYE IS NOW TOO HOT ACCORDING TO THE CURRANT LYMAN MANUAL.   ********USE AT YOUR OWN RISK********,

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun.

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R. Dupraz posted this 14 February 2018

David wrote:

 

"The recommendation to have a light pressure fit scares me. It that scenario there is the possibility that the bullet could be pushed into the case when chambering causing excessive pressure. I have loaded hundreds of thousands rounds of 9mm, 45acp and to a lesser extent .40 S&W, always having the largest bullet that will chamber, closely matching the groove diameter and just touching the rifling on a drop fit, with no added push. A slip fit as Ken put its, his reasoning is sound.''

 

I agree. This is the proceedure that I used to fit a bullet and find a load for a new Ruger LC9s. While not a Taurus, the method is still the same.

With the barrel out of the frame, the largest loaded bullet in a sized case that will fully seat itself  when dropped into the chamber. And then a powder charge that will just reliably cycle the action and shoot well.

Turned out that the above was achieved with the truncated cone designs by Lee and NOE. The final load was with the NOE 358-128-SWC, cast 50/50 WW & Lino, sized to .3575" and Unique. With this pistol, accurate with no leading. 

All the truncated cone designs  shot well

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BigMan54 posted this 15 February 2018

I seem to remember a story that the original 9mm bullet the Germans used in the P-08 Luger was a truncated cone design similar to the #356402. But the British complained that bullet created devastating and inhuman wounds. So they changed to a RN. Don't know if it's true or not. Might explain where the truncated cone design came from.

I've never tried a larger dia. than .356, mainly because my old S&W 59 would barely take .356, and I only want one load for all auto-loading calibers except .45ACP. 

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun.

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alco posted this 15 February 2018

Thanks fellows. I have not purchased the PT92 yet as I'm still messing around with my M&P9c trying to get it to shoot accurately.  I do not like the trigger and I just do not want to spend another $200 for an Apex trigger !!.  I would have traded it for a PT92 except for:  it has never failed to feed any of  my reloads and it doesn't lead...........with .357 and .358 bullets.

I like my 45ACP, but the younger I get, the less I like the pain of the 45!!  Therefore, most of what I shoot is the 9.

I wonder how good is the Taurus Customer Service is ??

Thanks again

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 15 February 2018

just a comment ... i am very happy with my 1984 beretta 92S ... so far only one jam ever  ... ( that with hornady critical defense ) ... but admit i have looked at the taurus pt92 ... mainly because i still don't like the reversed safety on the beretta slide .  in higher risk conditions i carry it decocked and safety off , so it is slightly academic ... but it is just not natural to thumb-raise a safety to fire the weapon in a panic ... heh .

ken

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