Using Alox

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Curtisb posted this 17 February 2017

 

Can I use Alox lube on bullets that are not micro lube rings?

Like bullets with regular lube rings?

Thanks

Curtis B

 

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mrbill2 posted this 17 February 2017

YES, I put the lube and sizer away and never looked back. works for me!

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 17 February 2017

mrbill2 is correct, it will work on all center-fire smokeless rounds with lead bullets, but not in all situations. It seems to work best at low velocity rounds up to about 1500 for me anyway. I am sure others have different results which I am sure they will share. 

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Eutectic posted this 17 February 2017

Liquid Alox works great on any bullet. It is HUGE advantage if you can get by without sizing. If you need sizing then get a Lee size die to use in a regular press. There have been some posts saying you need to re-lube after sizing because bare metal is exposed. I did not find this to be the case for pistol use, there was plenty of lube in the grooves for velocity up to 1100 fs.

Steve Hurst

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Scearcy posted this 17 February 2017

I have been using 45-45-10 for my 243s  this winter. It has been fine up to 2,000 fps.  I do recoat once after sizing with a push through die.  I like the 45-45-10 better than pure Lee Alox.

Jim

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Old Coot posted this 17 February 2017

I agree with Jim (Scearcy) .  I much prefer 45-45-10 to just Alox.  45-45-10 dries to a “hard” clear finish that is not tacky or sticky.  If applied like Onandonga does it with warmed bullets, and heated (in hot water) lube it is very quick drying, easy to apply and repeata ble.  Apply one THIN coat before sizing and one THIN coat after sizing and gas check application. 

Brodie

 

B.E.Brickey

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45ACPete posted this 17 February 2017

I often use LLA (thinned with mineral spirits.  Works fine, but I would like to know what constitutes 45-45-10?

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Scearcy posted this 17 February 2017

We may need onondaga to  answer this.

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R. Dupraz posted this 17 February 2017

Pure liquid alox cut 50/50 with Johnson's liquid floor wax or pure mineral spirits. After sizing in all handguns and a Winchester “92” .357 mag. As cast or sized before, one coat. Cures in about 20-30 minutes at room temperature. Most often bullets are lubed the nite before and cured over nite. Have used it with cast in a 7.62x51 mauser with good results.  All with regular grease groove bullets

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Old Coot posted this 18 February 2017

45-45-10 is made by Carefully boiling LLA and Johnsons Paste Wax 1:1 then adding 10% mineral spirits by volume.   The fumes both toxic and highly flammable so do it out doors without flame.  If I remember correctly you want to boil most of the volatiles off the mixture and then add the mineral spirits.  Use a hot plate or old crock pot.   Easier to just buy it from White Label Lube.  A Quart will last you many years.  Brodie

B.E.Brickey

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Pigslayer posted this 25 February 2018

Well, I haven't done any casting or loading in quite a while. So I was down in the shop & I spied a container of LEE 356-95-RF bullets that needed to be lubed. They are micro grooved so I use liquid Alox on them. Got the bullets warming in the oven now. I usually warm the Alox in a pan of hot water. I was wondering if anyone has used a microwave to warm alox in the plastic bottle. Was a little afraid to try it. Anybody here try it?

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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Bohica793 posted this 25 February 2018

I've warmed it using the microwave with no issues.  10-15 seconds on high and make sure to open the spout before heating to let air vent. 

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Pigslayer posted this 25 February 2018

 

Can I use Alox lube on bullets that are not micro lube rings?

Like bullets with regular lube rings?

Thanks

Curtis B

Cool! Thank you. Beats getting out a pan & hear the wife complain about it. 

-Pat 

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If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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Pigslayer posted this 25 February 2018

O.K. Worked great! I warmed the bullets in the oven as usual (Tip given to me by Onondaga). Warmed the Alox in the microwave. Gave them bad boys their first coat of Alox. I made this pan out of some sheet metal that i had on hand to put the bullets in for warming. I made the formed the funnel like end to make pouring the bullets into my tupperware lube container easier. 

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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TRKakaCatWhisperer posted this 26 February 2018

Cool design on the tray.  (we get 9x12 pieces of galvanized steel - as packing around magnets - and scrap most of them)  Is that about an inch high?

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Pigslayer posted this 26 February 2018

Cool design on the tray.  (we get 9x12 pieces of galvanized steel - as packing around magnets - and scrap most of them)  Is that about an inch high?

Yep, exactly 1 inch. I have a small sheet metal brake that I got from HF. Cheap, but works well.

-Pat

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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BigMan54 posted this 27 February 2018

BOY HOWDY !!!

You boys are getting me excited about Tumble-Lubing. I have a N.O.E. mold that throws a .432 240 RNFP. I'm not sure it's Tumble-Lube or not. But I'm going to try it that way. I've already put some thru a Lube-Sizer, and they shot just fine.

I have already ordered  a LEE. 430 push thru sizer from MIDSOUTH and a quart of 45-45-10 from White Label Lube. I hope the LEE sizes as well as the old LYMAN .430die in the old 450 Lube-Sizer.

And I had my wife buy Cool Whip to go with the pie she just baked. Because that's the type of container they show in the video. 

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun.

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Pigslayer posted this 28 February 2018

I agree with Jim (Scearcy) .  I much prefer 45-45-10 to just Alox.  45-45-10 dries to a “hard” clear finish that is not tacky or sticky.  If applied like Onandonga does it with warmed bullets, and heated (in hot water) lube it is very quick drying, easy to apply and repeata ble.  Apply one THIN coat before sizing and one THIN coat after sizing and gas check application. 

Brodie

 Yep, two coats. applause

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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Pigslayer posted this 28 February 2018

YES, I put the lube and sizer away and never looked back. works for me!

 

I can't give up my lubersizers. It's an addiction. I love all things mechanical. I have Two #45's & one #450. Love 'em.

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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BigMan54 posted this 01 March 2018

My 45-45-10 came from White Label today. Ups will bring the Lee sizer tomorrow.  Finish the Cool Whip Fri night. Get some wax paper on Friday grocery trip and I'll be tumble-Iubing my first bullets on Sat morning in that fresh Cool Whip container.

Think I'll wash it first.  

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun.

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Ross Smith posted this 02 March 2018

I use my homemade 45 45 10 and it works. Dumb question tho: has anybody tried plain Johnson wax????????????

 

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David R. posted this 11 March 2018

I do. I don't cook my 45-45-10. I simply put equal dollops of Lee Liquid Alox and Johnson's paste wax in a plastic container and sprinkle about a half of thimble full of mineral spirits over the blobs. Add bullets,  shake rattle and roll until they all look the same. I do size mine in a Lee push through die and give them another coat afterwards. That may not be necessary, but I've been doing it. My handgun loads which are all below 800 fps so far seem fine. Guns are easy to clean and accuracy is improving. I did recently shoot twenty rounds through my 22-250 that were treated the same way. My loads were clocking 2,250 fps plus or minus 25 fps. The gun was easy to clean afterwards, but accuracy was dismal with the rifle. I don't think that my accuracy issues in the rifle have anything to do with bullet lube. As you can see, I have gone all out on specialty equipment for my hobby. I've got my eye on a nice salsa jar that I may switch to instead of the Milkbone jar. 

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David R. posted this 11 March 2018

These are some 45-70 bullets that I cast yesterday and just lubed. This is one coat. I plan to size and re-coat them. 

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