Flintlock kit for me

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onondaga posted this 25 November 2014

I make it a point to look for a bargain flintlock kit at least every month to see if any new bargains show up. The work paid off this month and I ordered a kit on sale with an additional discount online coupon at the site.

http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/Frontierkit.aspx>http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/Frontierkit.aspx

Traditions Frontier Muzzleloader Rifle Kit, .50 Cal flintlockKRC525081$334.00$334.00 Subtotal: $334.00 Add-Ons: $4.00 Discounts: -$16.70 Shipping & Handling: $21.75 Tax: $0.00 Order Total: $343.05

I will finally have a flintlock again and be able to enjoy my favorite kind of shooting that I started with at age 7 in 1957.

Gary

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fa38 posted this 25 November 2014

Do this kit have a patent breech?

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onondaga posted this 25 November 2014

http://castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=562>fa38

Yes, the kit has a patented hooked breech. You can see the hook on breech plug  of  the barrel but the mating tang for the hooked breech is not shown in this photo. The photo does show the kind of ramrod keeper, curved flat spring I prefer. This is a single wedge half stock rifle with fixed blade sights and reported finish weight of 7 pounds. This is a light weight sporting rocklock rifle.

Gary

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fa38 posted this 25 November 2014

I guess we are thinking of different things. A patent breech is a breech plug with a hole smaller that the bore of the rifle and the vent goes into this smaller hole instead of directly into the barrel just ahaed of the breech plug.

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onondaga posted this 25 November 2014

The hooked breech of this rifle is designed for easy take down only and I am happy with the hooked breech design. I will have to inspect when the kit comes but it does appear to have a removable threaded flash hole plug that I also prefer on flintlocks.

Gary

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R. Dupraz posted this 25 November 2014

Patent breach plug

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onondaga posted this 25 November 2014

http://castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=82>R. Dupraz

 Nice illustration of a patented breech, I am familiar with those. They do offer a reduced diameter charge start area but the one you show does not appear to have the “HOOK” that provides a metal hook to a mating stock mounted tang for quick take-down. Hawken was the originator that initially patented the “HOOKED” breech for easy take-down and cleaning of muzzle loader barrels.

This style of hooked breech rifle takes down to remove the barrel by removing the ramrod, cocking the hammer, pulling the barrel wedge and simply hinging the barrel off. This was a significant design improvement at the time and highly praised for simplicity of rifle maintenance.

Prior to the Hooked Breech, removing the barrel required removing screws that fastened the fixed breech tang to the stock.

Gary

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R. Dupraz posted this 25 November 2014

I am aware of the Hawken Bros. history and the rifles that they were famous for. Having hand built two versions of them for several yrs. Along with various cap locks.      But, I have never seen nor heard of a patent breached flintlock. Hooked breach, yes. Kind of hard to tell from the photo but that barrel looks like it is breached with just a simple hooked breach plug with a touch hole in front.

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onondaga posted this 26 November 2014

Shipping verification and tracking # came in Email today, so it is on the way! I will have to gather some Poison Sumac pods to make my wood stain.

Gary

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Longone posted this 26 November 2014

onondaga wrote; I will have to gather some Poison Sumac pods to make my wood stain.

I can only imagine the warning that comes on that bottle!!!

Longone

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onondaga posted this 26 November 2014

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=6699>Longone   I do have allergies myself but am not sensitive to the Sumac in this area. I grind the sumac pods fine in a blender and put in half water and half rubbing alcohol, then simmer for 30 minutes in a pot on stove. There is no exact formula proportions.

The Sumac stain is similar to a dark colonial maple and can be brought deeper by multiple applications. I apply it with a small sponge and rubber gloved hand!

Gary

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tturner53 posted this 26 November 2014

Have fun Gary! Looks like a good deal.

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onondaga posted this 26 November 2014

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=2514>tturner53

I will have fun, I was a dental lab owner lots of years and have a nice Baldor bench motor and many accessories for polishing. I will start by polishing all brass parts and polishing and adjusting the double set trigger. I also have a full set of stock riffles and files to touch up all in-letting before I sand and finish the stock. Finishing a barrel takes the most time and labor on a kit.

The kit should at least come out pretty for me. Traditions is not a top line kit maker, I know that, but I will do the best I can with what I get. The only complaint I have heard about these Traditions flint kits is that the Frizzen is not hardened well. I have case hardened frizzens before so that is not a problem for me and only about a 10 minute job to case harden a frizzen.

Gary

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onondaga posted this 26 November 2014

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=6699>Longone

I am sensitive to the Sumac in the Southern states but the variety in my New York State  higher altitude areas is much less toxic than the Sumac that grows along the Mississippi River. 

Gary

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delmarskid1 posted this 27 November 2014

Brown or blue? I experimented with toilet cleaner as a browning agent and it makes a nice fluffy rust. I browned a meat cleaver.

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onondaga posted this 27 November 2014

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=348>delmarskid1

I have had such good results with Birchwood Casey Plumb Brown and that is what I plan. It is stinky and takes time and effort but it is much better than I have ever done bluing.

Gary

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Longone posted this 27 November 2014

I was pointed in this direction from a friend that has built several rifles (muzzleloaders) over the years. He says very easy to use and very nice finished product.

http://www.laurelmountainforge.com/barrelbrown.htm

Hope the link works.

Happy Thankgiving to everyone.

Longone

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onondaga posted this 27 November 2014

http://castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=6699>Longone

the link works fine, There is interesting extended instructions for the product at the site also.

Gary

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Longone posted this 28 November 2014

Gary,

I was pretty much sold on brown metal finish until I thought about putting on the Lyman 57 GPR rear sight and a globe front. As far as I know they both only come in blue finish so that would most likely look shoddy. So if I plan on putting the better sight on I will end up with blued metal.

Longone

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onondaga posted this 28 November 2014

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=6699>Longone

Sure, that is a good point. I wasn't planning on using a peep on this little flint rifle but just using the stock sights,

Actually with the measurements I took on my Percussion Lyman GP rifle that already has the Lyman peep, the globe front sight heights available will not work for me. I use the standard front sight on the Lyman. The globe is too high in my application and loading.

Gary

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Notlwonk posted this 29 November 2014

Would it be practical to refinish the sights?   Just a thought.

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