Cast loads TC Contender 7-30 Waters ?

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R. Dupraz posted this 13 July 2016

Joe: 2016 postal results Match #6A, break open pistol What has been posted so far For your viewing pleasure.

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Paul Pollard posted this 13 July 2016

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/postalarchive/2016/pdf/match6-1.pdf>http://www.castbulletassoc.org/postalarchive/2016/pdf/match6-1.pdf

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joeb33050 posted this 13 July 2016

This thread is six months old. Has there been any progress? Where are the groups? I'm waiting to be impressed.

joe b.

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Paul Pollard posted this 13 July 2016

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/postalarchive/2015/pdf/match6-4.pdf

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jhalcott posted this 13 July 2016

I could not bring up the postal match info you cite ,Paul, could you supply the info. I have tried a lot of recipes with only so/ so results.

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shootcast posted this 07 June 2016

Still there

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R. Dupraz posted this 07 June 2016

shootcast:

Been trying to send you a PM. But since the latest intruder, my system is doing all kinds of strange stuff. Don't know if it's just my problem or something else.

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shootcast posted this 05 June 2016

Check out Ray Alt in the results of our new postal BOXH pistol and or rifle class. He shoots both and in our circle is the man to beat. He is showing us just how good a T/C contender can shoot. His 7x30 Waters do just fine.

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R. Dupraz posted this 06 May 2016

jhalcott:

I have a a TC super 14 in 7-30 Waters, 9” twist. The results have been inconsistent with NOE's 7mm-145-SIL,Lyman #2,alloy and IMR 4227. Some times very good at 100yds and other times, not so much. Have you tried this bullet?

What powders and bullets have worked well for you?

I have two frames, a nice old Contender and a just recently new G-2. They both give the same results. I'm about ready to try a different bullet

Thanks

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jhalcott posted this 06 May 2016

You MUST shoot your barrel to know what IT likes. I have over a dozen Contender barrels, one is a 14” 7-30. I have used many cast and jackete loads. Many gave sub 2” groups,BUT factory always does better,around an inch. I have several molds for7mm. The “soup can"/135 grain and a couple Lover in styles. I would not dismiss the 7-30 till I tried it.

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joeb33050 posted this 12 January 2016

Paul Pollard wrote: R. Dupraz,

Please look at the postal match results for 2015. In the Season Benchrest match #6, under the break action entries, Ray Alt is shooting exactly what you are looking for. It seems his TC barrel shoots quite well. Isn't that a rifle?

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R. Dupraz posted this 12 January 2016

Thanks Paul. Appreciate it.

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Paul Pollard posted this 12 January 2016

R. Dupraz,

Please look at the postal match results for 2015. In the Season Benchrest match #6, under the break action entries, Ray Alt is shooting exactly what you are looking for. It seems his TC barrel shoots quite well.

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mtngun posted this 12 January 2016

JSH wrote One last thing. Anything you know about other actions as in bolt, auto and levers, none of it applies to a break action or very very little.Totally agree on that point.

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JSH posted this 12 January 2016

Wow. I have had my share of issues with TC barrels but always sorted through and found a good one. I have several now and no plans of them going anywhere.

I played with the 7-30 and cast. Used 4895 and VVN135. The 135 was my go to powder for jacketed and showed good promise with it and cast. It is an honest 1 1/2"@100 on demand gun with a Hornady 139 and VV 135. YMMV, my findings have been for the most part is to use a rifle powder. The old myth that you have to use pistol powders in a pistol barrel is just that, a myth. Yes, depending on powders and caliber you may get a fire all and blasty, I can deal with that. What it does on paper is what I look at. I burn a fair bit of 748 and H335. Both fireball and blasty, but hey, it shoots. Bellms thoughts on sizing are for the most part true in full tilt loads. One can have good success with partial or neck sizing target loads. However I usually FL size after 3-4 firings, depends on the gun and chambering. Yes you may have to tinker a bit to get there. One last thing. Anything you know about other actions as in bolt, auto and levers, none of it applies to a break action or very very little.

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onondaga posted this 11 January 2016

I was betting on Joe. Because you guys didn't bet $1, you only owe me 50 cents. Hopefully someday Joe will be able to look back at his responses and have a good laugh. It is a hilarious word avalanche to me now. I knew this would happen if I unpicked the “ignore” option and read him.

It is times like this that I turn to Sicilian heritage and have an ethnic festival celebration called Cafe Bourboni.

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mtngun posted this 11 January 2016

joeb33050 wrote: I believe you. That said, a FEW Contender chamberings were good, at least some of the time (depending on how careful the drill press operator was that day). The 7-30 is one of them.

Knowing what I know today, I would not buy a Contender. The one I have now is left over from IMHSA competition many decades ago, when Contenders ruled the production class. At that time I shot a 7TCU, which did well with jacketed and OK with cast, despite having a very sloppy neck. The throat was OK, though. If I remember right I was able to score 38 out of 40 with it using cast.

Aside from the drill press chambering jobs, the Contender action itself has issues. It's not very strong and the hammer strike is weak and sensitive to headspace and bullet fit. The open hammer collects water, snow, and pine needles when you're hunting. The trigger on my old style frame will never be a benchrest quality trigger. Having to break the action open between shots is not conducive to consistent benchrest technique. No doubt a bolt gun is superior, and I am moving in that direction. :)

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gpidaho posted this 11 January 2016

Happy Birthday RD. A birthday is a very good time to give thanks for one more year, hope this one is good to you. Gp

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R. Dupraz posted this 11 January 2016

Well, let's see here, where do I start? For those who have the obvious need. This was my original question. “Anybody have one of these? ” Have any accurate loads for the 7-30 Waters." Gary: I believe that you have a genuine desire to help others. And your suggestion to use H4895 is something that I will try. I have never used anything but a fast burning fuel for my cast loads. Mainly because that's what was on hand when I started years back and it always has worked well for me. But your reminder has prompted me to try something slower for a change. Back to my original question. Nothing more nothing less. All shooting that I do anymore is from the bench so have no need for slings and such. But then how would you know? highstandard40: Thanks for some useful info. What I was looking for. Joe: Reading your reply instantly reminded me of and old line that goes like this. ” It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a ----- than to open it and remove all doubt” I'll leave you to fill in the blank. I refer you back to my original question. Obviously you need to read it again! I am fully aware of the inconsistent quality of TC factory barrels as well as Belm etc,etc. However, the original barrel that came with this Contender frame is a .218B. And I dare say that when benchrested, that it would give any of your .223's a run for it's money at 100 yards. And as to the strikers, etc, if I want to use a rifle, I'll shoot one. So, just stick to what you do know and keep the rest to yourself. I was once again not impressed. mtngun: Thanks for the info. So, I was just reminded that 71 yrs. ago today I was given my first breath. Am thankful for that. Yall have a good one, I intend to.

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joeb33050 posted this 11 January 2016

I'm frequently changing the pistol stock, I'd like to have it set up so that the butt stock comes off, hand grip goes on, back and forth. I'm working to get the hand grip in the right place for my huge manly hand.

A person can make the 2nd barrel change in 30 minutes, the 10th in 15 minutes.

If you're concerned about looks, and many are, do something about your hair, and that basketball in the front of your pants.