Hunting feral hogs on Sunday.

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PredFan posted this 27 February 2016

I'm using my Henry Rifle in 357, they wont be cast bullets, however, I'm also carrying my 44 mag revolver and if I can get a change to shoot a pig with that, I'll take it. It has cast bullets.

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onondaga posted this 27 February 2016

http://castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan

Have a good hunt!

I truly believe a heavy cast tumble lube SWC with a bevel base or a gas check cast in #2 alloy will outperform jacketed bullets on pigs with your 357 Mag Henri.

The lead in jacketed bullets is very soft and splatters, #2 alloy with a pig hunting load will double in caliber on impact, have zero weight loss and pass through a pig with a big hole  at 50 yards.

The Lee TL-358-158-SWC and C358-158-SWC, either in #2 alloy as hot as will hold 2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards will rock big pigs with your Henri much better than jacketed anything bullets in .357 Mag.

Accurate Molds also has some custom heavier flat nose molds for 357 Mag rifle that are spectacular. You might consider a big tumble lube bevel base super flat nose after you do a chamber casting of your Henri.

Gary

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Pigslayer posted this 27 February 2016

Hit those hogs behind the front shoulder & low . . . through the lungs. Love hunting hogs!!

If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.

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PredFan posted this 27 February 2016

onondaga wrote: http://castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan

Have a good hunt!

I truly believe a heavy cast tumble lube SWC with a bevel base or a gas check cast in #2 alloy will outperform jacketed bullets on pigs with your 357 Mag Henri.

The lead in jacketed bullets is very soft and splatters, #2 alloy with a pig hunting load will double in caliber on impact, have zero weight loss and pass through a pig with a big hole  at 50 yards.

The Lee TL-358-158-SWC and C358-158-SWC, either in #2 alloy as hot as will hold 2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards will rock big pigs with your Henri much better than jacketed anything bullets in .357 Mag.

Accurate Molds also has some custom heavier flat nose molds for 357 Mag rifle that are spectacular. You might consider a big tumble lube bevel base super flat nose after you do a chamber casting of your Henri.

GaryI am new enough to casting bullets to not know how to cast a SWC.....yet.

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PredFan posted this 27 February 2016

I am new enough to casting bullets to not know how to cast a SWC.....yet.

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tturner53 posted this 27 February 2016

I want to see pictures of dead pigs. Where's Giorgio? He's a pig killer for sure.

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onondaga posted this 27 February 2016

PredFan wrote: I am new enough to casting bullets to not know how to cast a SWC.....yet. It won't take much experience. Actually, very long spire bullets and Hollow base or hollow point bullets are the hardest to cast well. Semi-Wad Cutters in .357 are run of the mill basic. Casting with my 20 cavity “O” Buckshot Sharp Shooter USA mold was a nightmare till I carefully followed the maker's video directions and learned what it likes,  now it is wonderful.

Gary

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PredFan posted this 28 February 2016

I got tired of waiting for the big tusker to come along, so I pulled the trigger on an 80 pounder. + or - a few.

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onondaga posted this 28 February 2016

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan

Decent pig! A local note from my area in Western New York. "tusker" is a highly inflamed racial epithet in my area. The Tuscarora Nation of Native Americans is only a few miles from where I live. They go nuts when they hear that word and their Grandmother Club will come after you with LaCross sticks, pull your ears, and yell at you in their Native language.

SkurÅ«'rÄ›n' is what they yell, it is their tribe name in their own language and literally translates to “Hemp Gatherers". They are a very religious traditional people closely connected to nature and prefer isolation. They are wonderful archers and welcomed me in their archery club as a boy.

Gary

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PredFan posted this 28 February 2016

Lol, good thing I'm a long ways away! I'm still sitting in the tree stand until it gets dark. Maybe one will come along.

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PredFan posted this 29 February 2016

Well, big papa DID come along, but not to me, to my buddy. He bagged this 135 pound boar.

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tturner53 posted this 29 February 2016

Nice. Thanks for sharing the good times.

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PredFan posted this 02 March 2016

So I have about 100 pounds if pork in my freezer.

I'll be making sausage from now till who knows when.

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muley posted this 03 March 2016

good luck, those “little” 80 pounders taste better than “big daddy", keep the pictures coming.

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tturner53 posted this 03 March 2016

I killed about 10 wild boar over here on the coast many years ago, with ONE SHOT! True stuff. It was a pregnant sow, unknown to me, of course. Point blank, 45-70 cast 405 gr. in the top of head, out the foot and gone. The little piglets were about due. A shame, here, as we don't have the problems of too many pigs like some places.

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PredFan posted this 04 March 2016

I made some breakfast sausage, it is excellent.

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PredFan posted this 04 March 2016

I would LOVE to be able to shoot a hog with a bullet I cast. I have been casting all of the bullets for my 44 mag but I'm worried about getting lead in the pork.

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onondaga posted this 04 March 2016

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan

Alloy selection makes all the difference if you will get lead in your meat or not.

Fortunately, Lyman figured out the answer over 100 years ago when they developed Lyman #2 Alloy. It retains 100% bullet weight when harvesting game animals and doubles in caliber on impact with game animals when shooting hunting level loads. Pass through shots with a double caliber hole on deer with 100% weight retention and expansion to double caliber is normal with deer hunting loads striking with 1,000 foot pounds impact. This is easy to achieve with hunting rifles and easy to figure what your needs really are. The particular alloy is optimized for strength at hunting load levels with 5% Antimony and it is optimized for malleability that holds it together preventing fragmentation with 5% Tin.

Alloys with more or less percentages of Tin and Antimony sacrifice in splatter,  fragmentation and poor or wasted fragmentation energy. That is 100 year old, old news. 

It is well worth it for me to buy commercial Certified Lyman #2 Alloy for my hunting bullets. I use a recreation alloy that shoots to the same POI and has equal hardness but lower TIN for economy. I alloy Range Scrap and Linotype at 1:1 and the result nearly duplicates Certified Hardball Alloy that is the same BHN as Lyman #2. So my recreational and practice bullets are pretty cheap. 5 pounds of Certified #2 Alloy makes a lot of the best hunting bullets. There is 7,000 grains to a pound and you can figure your bullets per pound easily with your bullet weight. I see it as economical to get just the right alloy.

Pistol hunting bullets can be softer due to closer ranges being the factor and many pistol loads are unable to provide the energy needed for #2 to do it's magic on meat. #2 is optimized for rifles.

I hunt with 30,45 and 50 caliber center-fire rifles and cast bullets but started with a 45 Cal. Flintlock that I cast balls for at age 7.

I have taken Deer, Bear, Wolf, Wild Boar, Caribou and Moose with Cast Bullets and prefer them to any other bullet for hunting game.  I always hunt with a cast load tailored to the job at my expected maximum shot distance. I have a great small game load too. My Remington Spartan single shot 7.62X39 shoots a 90 gr. SWC at 1160 fps and easily head-shots Squirrels at 50 Yards as the scoped rifle routinely groups just under 1/2” at 50 yards with the Squirrel load.

I get my Certified #2 from RotoMetals: http://www.rotometals.com/Bullet-Casting-Alloys-s/5.htm>http://www.rotometals.com/Bullet-Casting-Alloys-s/5.htm orders over $99 receive free shipping. That is a deal to me!

Gary

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rodwha posted this 04 March 2016

onondaga wrote: http://castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan

Have a good hunt!

I truly believe a heavy cast tumble lube SWC with a bevel base or a gas check cast in #2 alloy will outperform jacketed bullets on pigs with your 357 Mag Henri.

The lead in jacketed bullets is very soft and splatters, #2 alloy with a pig hunting load will double in caliber on impact, have zero weight loss and pass through a pig with a big hole  at 50 yards.

The Lee TL-358-158-SWC and C358-158-SWC, either in #2 alloy as hot as will hold 2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards will rock big pigs with your Henri much better than jacketed anything bullets in .357 Mag.

Accurate Molds also has some custom heavier flat nose molds for 357 Mag rifle that are spectacular. You might consider a big tumble lube bevel base super flat nose after you do a chamber casting of your Henri.

Gary You lambasted a member for not having 1000 ft/lbs for ethical hunting but feel a .357 Mag has plenty at 50 yds?

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onondaga posted this 04 March 2016

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=6596>rodwha

It is hunting guide associations and Lyman's humane harvest research I relate to hunters looking for Deer hunting load levels or hunters with load levels lower than Lyman recommends. There is a lot of hunters that couldn't care less. I don't support their opinion.

The 357 Mag rifle can certainly be loaded to 50 yard cast bullet humane Deer harvesting level. an example: http://reloadersnest.com/unverified_detail.asp?CaliberID=189&ID=3365>http://reloadersnest.com/unverifieddetail.asp?CaliberID=189&ID=3365 This 357 Mag rifle load has 1,006 foot pounds at 70 yards.

There are many other suitable loads also, it is easy to run the numbers and check yourself if your load fits humane harvesting level recommended by guide associations and Lyman. It is a matter of ethics to me. You can argue from a point of poor ethics all you want. I won't agree or support your unethical and unsportsmanlike stance and lack of concern for humane harvest.

I also recommended heavier Accurate Mold bullets to http://castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan for the purpose of ethical harvest load level in the very post you copy and criticize. You didn't read it well, I believe http://castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan read and understood my recommendation.

You can run this free calculator to verify your load level at any range here: http://handloads.com/calc/index.html>http://handloads.com/calc/index.html It is not difficult or challenging at all to tailor a 357 Mag rifle load for humane harvest of Deer at 50 yards, unless you just couldn't care less.

Gary

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rodwha posted this 04 March 2016

onondaga wrote: http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=6596>rodwha

It is hunting guide associations and Lyman's humane harvest research I relate to hunters looking for Deer hunting load levels or hunters with load levels lower than Lyman recommends. There is a lot of hunters that couldn't care less. I don't support their opinion.

The 357 Mag rifle can certainly be loaded to 50 yard cast bullet humane Deer harvesting level. an example: http://reloadersnest.com/unverified_detail.asp?CaliberID=189&ID=3365>http://reloadersnest.com/unverifieddetail.asp?CaliberID=189&ID=3365 This 357 Mag rifle load has 1,006 foot pounds at 70 yards.

There are many other suitable loads also, it is easy to run the numbers and check yourself if your load fits humane harvesting level recommended by guide associations and Lyman. It is a matter of ethics to me. You can argue from a point of poor ethics all you want. I won't agree or support your unethical and unsportsmanlike stance and lack of concern for humane harvest.

I also recommended heavier Accurate Mold bullets to http://castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan for the purpose of ethical harvest load level in the very post you copy and criticize. You didn't read it well, I believe http://castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=9663>PredFan read and understood my recommendation.

You can run this free calculator to verify your load level at any range here: http://handloads.com/calc/index.html>http://handloads.com/calc/index.html It is not difficult or challenging at all to tailor a 357 Mag rifle load for humane harvest of Deer at 50 yards, unless you just couldn't care less.

Gary

 I'm curious what unethical and unsportsmanlike stance you are claiming I am coming from as I've not made any statement. I don't own a .357 mag rifle so I checked Hornady's sight that has a rifle load using the LeveRevition ammo which runs higher than average velocities and it showed just a bit over 1000 ft/lbs at the muzzle and a bit over 600 ft/lbs at the muzzle from a handgun. Your stance on 1000 ft/lbs doesn't hold water. The standard .357 mag handgun ethically takes deer as has the .45 Colt as well as the old black powder weapons. You can holler about it all you want because a company out to make money claims so. But history shows it's a false statement.

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