I am loading for a Marlin 336 CS 30-30 with Microgroove barrel.Its been about 10 years since I played with one like it.It seems like my last one preferred rather big(.312) bullets.I cannot chamber anything over .310 in this chamber.I haven't shot it yet,but was surprised by the “tight” neck in the rifle.Are others similar to mine?
George
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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I am loading for a Marlin 336 CS 30-30 with Microgroove barrel.Its been about 10 years since I played with one like it.It seems like my last one preferred rather big(.312) bullets.I cannot chamber anything over .310 in this chamber.I haven't shot it yet,but was surprised by the “tight” neck in the rifle.Are others similar to mine?
George
Many are. You will need to cast the chamber, but .330-.332 is normal for a .30-30. That limits you to .310 bullets unless you turn necks VERY thin, less than 0.010 which makes them too fragile to be practical. Use a .32 H&R Mag. reamer and run it in just enough to enlarge the neck to .337-.339 and rethroat the existing forcing SAAMI cone. That enables .313 bullets and 0.012 case neck wall thickness.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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Use a .32 H&R Mag. reamer and run it in just enough to enlarge the neck to .337-.339 and rethroat the existing forcing SAAMI cone.
Thanks.
I'll shoot it tomarrow to see if it works with the .309+ pills I have loaded.I used “real primers” this time instead of my special Inert ones<G>I have a 1.5 throater in my greasy mits.Unless the throat is worn it seems to be beter than most.
George
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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Ok how did it shoot? lol Just very curious. Been watching this thread with much interest. Jim
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Ok how did it shoot?
With a load of 10.0 of Unique and the Lyman 311466 it shoots 2” for 5 at best at 100 yards.The worst groups are 2-1/2".Sometimes 4 of the 5 are into 1.5” but the one shot never seems to land in the cluster and lands high or low.There is a definite tendency towards vertical in the groups especially as the gun warms up.(its been 90-100 during the range sessions).I am not excited about the accuracy but not convinced the Microgroove is hurting anything.Its acting more like a bedding issue.I also shot the RCBS 180 FN and accuracy was the same as above.I am going back to 13-15g 2400 as I have more confidence in the 30-30 as I have used it more.
George
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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Thanks so much. Ever try 13gr of bluedot. I have been playing with it a lot lately. I havent been to the range yet. Just from shooting in the yard my marlin seems to like it. I have tried it with 150 and 170gr jacketed bullets. Both are real good coke can loads.lol
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Thanks so much. Ever try 13gr of bluedot. I have been playing with it a lot lately. I havent been to the range yet. Just from shooting in the yard my marlin seems to like it. I have tried it with 150 and 170gr jacketed bullets. Both are real good coke can loads.lol
Shame on you for shooting jacketed bullets in a 30-30.Frank Marshall just did a double backflip in his grave<G>
I have alot of Bluedot,but only have shot it in the '06 and 44 mag.I'll try it next time out in the 30-30.I plan to shoot plainbase plinker loads in the Marlin and will try the SAECO #630 next time out.It is a 140g FP that does well in most 30-30's I try it in.
I forgot to mention the SAECO #315 shot 6” groups in the Marlin.A big surprise as it shoots well in most 30's I try it in.Maybe microgroove rifling doest like tapered bullets??
George
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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The guy that I used to get my cast bullets from has since passed on. I have been watching and waiting to see what would be the best bullet to use in my 30-30.
So far I like the Lyman 311041 and the ranch dog TLC311-165-RF. From what I've read the ranchdog likes the microgroove a lot. I will post the article that I got the load from. I hope you will enjoy playing with it as much as I have.
The original blue dot load came from THR forum it is as follows.
Blue Dot Range Report: 30/30 Winchester
Case: Remington
Primer: Fed 210
Bullets: Winchester 110 gr RN, Hornady 170 grain FN
110 grain RN:
7grs: 1162 fps 13grs: 1858 fps 8grs: 1266 fps 14grs: 1924 fps 9grs: 1358 fps 15grs: 2087 fps 10grs: 1542 fps 16grs: 2143 fps 11grs: 1706 fps 17grs: 2244 fps 12grs: 1720 fps 18grs: 2322 fps
170 grains Flat Nose
7grs: 1009 fps 12grs: 1473 fps 8grs: 1078 fps 13grs: 1555 fps 9grs: 1153 fps 14grs: 1597 fps 10grs: 1277 fps 15grs: 1685 fps 11grs: 1389 fps
Notes:
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ranch dog TLC311-165-RF
It looks like a good bullet,i peeked at it on his site.If I could have it in a 6-cavity i would buy one.For my plinking rifles I like 4 or more cavities so I don't have to spend all week to cast my “summers fun” bullets.I'll report on the Blue Dot loads if I can get out this Wednesday.
George
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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Ever try 13gr of bluedot. I have been playing with it a lot lately.
I shot the 13.0 g Blue Dot load (12.9 is where the measure ended up)with the RCBS 180FN.The first two groups at 100 were over 3” then the barrel (or the shooter)"settled” and it grouped 5 into 1.5".I moved to 200 and shot a 3” 5 shot group.I had 4 shots left so I went back to 100 and the last 4 went into 1".All of this was in 90 deg weather with a HOT barrel.I will do a re shoot,but the load appears good .My 31466 with 10.0 of Unique shot about the same. Included a picture of the target at 200 yds.The upper is the 311466 and Unique.The lower is the 12.9 of BD.The separate paper low left if the 311466/Unique and it 2-3/4".I would say this microgroove barrel seems to present no problems at all with cast.I don't think I should expect groups much smaller with a levergun 30-30 and a 4X scope regardless of rifling type.
The loads-
RCBS 180FN, lino/ww,12.9 B.D., sized in Lee die to .309, Jakes NRA ,CCI 200 Primer
311466 4-cavity, lino/ww, 10.0 Unique,sized in Lee die to .309, Jakes NRA ,CCI 200 Primer
George
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Best 100 yd group of the day.31466 and 10.0 of Unique.
George
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Whoa!! I knew bd shot good in my rifle but I had no idea. I've gotta put mine on paper. Thanks. How do you like that heavy recoil? lol Good shooting!!! Now I'm looking for a load using IMR-PB. Does the quest ever end?lol
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Does the quest ever end?lol
NO
I will be trying Blue Dot in Reduced for my plainbase 30-30 loads now.I have been using 700X and 2400 with decent results.
Now I'm looking for a load using IMR-PB
I would think PB should work fine in the 30-30.I shot mine up in a 9mm years back and never bought anymore.I shoot whatever I can scrounge from shot shell loaders estate sales and make in work in some way or another in my rifles.Morbid, but thats how I got alot of my shotshell type powders.<G>
George
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That's odd. This morning I had a guy ask me if I wanted some brass, lead shot and powder. Someone had given him a press(he already gave it away, I asked) and this other stuff. I can use the brass, I can melt down the shot, but the powder scares me. I haven't gone by to pick it up yet. He said the powder was in a bag??? It will make good fertilizer. Oh, one more thing I found a 30-30 load using AAC-#9 last night but I lost it ever use it? I'll have to put a 30 WCF load book together using nothing but shotgun and pistol powders.
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Oh, one more thing I found a 30-30 load using AAC-#9 last night but I lost it ever use it?
I have used 15.0 g of it with 180 grainers in my 30-30 Savage 99.It did well.
George
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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Someone gave me this link. What do you think?
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Quote from the link-
"While working on our CAS loads, multiple times it was suggested we look at IMR 4227, H4227, I and H 4198 and #2400. We did, and found them each vastly inferior to the double base disc pistol powders. “
I would argue this statement .I think he was shooting plainbase commercial cast hard bullets although i didn't read though it carefully yet.He may have had better luck with faster pistol powders then? But don't think those mentioned above are poor for the 30-30!! And his 2400 loads for the 30-06 he shoots big groups with are one of my favorites(10-12g) With one commercial cast bullet of one size i don't think he can make any “firm” statements on cast bullet loading.It only applied to that one bullet.His results were deatiled though.
I hope others here read the link and give input.This is just my take on the little I read.I am sure Ed Harris,Dan Willems,Wally Enga,Pat I etc.. and the more experienced and technical minded guys here could dissect it better.I am a simpleton.
I use a few “recipes” that cover my cast 30-30 loads(and alot of other 30 calibers as well).I use 7.0 of 700X for plainbase bullet of 150-180,10.0 of Unigue for same weight GC bullets,and my favorite load is 12-15g of 2400 with 140-200g GC bullets.I use the 2400 load most of the time.I think about any “Bullseye speed” to “2400 speed" powders work about the same.Burn what you got.
George
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I posted the same link in another thread. Ed Harris just said the 30-06 Data was “spot on” I thought it looked fishy. I copied and posted the same question on several other sites. So far when I ask a question the people on this site give the best responses. I am going to give it a few days and post links so everyone can see how their forum did. I really do appreciate how friendly and helpful the people on this site are. Jim
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I posted the same link in another thread. Ed Harris just said the 30-06 Data was “spot on” I thought it looked fishy. I copied and posted the same question on several other sites. So far when I ask a question the people on this site give the best responses. I am going to give it a few days and post links so everyone can see how their forum did. I really do appreciate how friendly and helpful the people on this site are. Jim
The loads are good i think,but his results with 2400 were not as good as I would have expected in the 30-06.
I reread it and find the accuracy is for one 10 shot group(per load) with “called” flyers omitted.But it mentions not distance they shot. 25,50, or 100 yards?
I found it,it was all at 50 yards.
George
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Your not going to believe this. I never thought about looking here for a Blue Dot load.
There it is plain as day.
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Funny, I never even looked to Alliant for cast bullet data for rifles.They seem to be giving good load info.
Thanks for the info and link!
George
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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