32 S&W Plinking Discovery (In a Hollow)

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bruce posted this 29 September 2008

Saturday I visited my son's cabin, which is in a hollow. It is considered ok to plink there, so I brought along my ancient H&R breaktop revolver. I had a box of store-bought .32 S&W and a box of .32 longs that I had handloaded with some 93 grain bullets from a Lee mold.

I was shooting at a paper plate about 5 yards away. With the short rounds, I never managed to hit the plate at all. I switched over to the longs, and pretty much just hit the plate wherever I pointed. I'm assuming I was hitting way low with the shorts.

I was just surprised that there could be such a vast difference in POI versus POA at such a short range. Now the barrel is only 3 1/2” I think, not a real target gun, especially with its miniscule rear fixed sight.

One reason for even buying the plain short .32 S&W rounds was that I thought it would be fun to see how this old-time round fired, plus having the empty brass to play around with. I supposed it would be a nice quiet round that would be reasonably accurate at close range. Now I'm thinking that there isn't much point in even reloading the brass.

Has anyone else noted this phenomenon? I'm assuming that Plinker's Hollow is the correct place for such non-scientific rumination.

While I was up there I pulled out my NAA mini revolver and plugged the plate a couple times with .22LR. I'll have to say this for the .32 S&W: it is much kinder on the ears!

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max503 posted this 17 December 2018

Regarding light 32 loads - I've used a primer tray cavity for a powder dipper and loaded 38 special to shoot out of a snubbie.  (The bullet could get stuck in a longer barrel.) These are very quiet.  I swear, under the right conditions I could shoot them straight up and see the bullet reach its zenith then fall back to earth.  I call it my slingshot load because that's about how powerful it is.

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M3 Mitch posted this 03 May 2018

(Ric in Yakima wrote, answering the question as to if the 300 Blackout was essentially a high pressure 32-20):  "Not really, as the 32/20 has a normal twist rate of 1/20 and the 300 BLK is 1/7. One should not expect bullets to interchange very well for accuracy. One of my shooting partners has one, but it doesn't seem to be very accurate with any cast loads, yet. So far every 10 shot group at 100 is about 2+ inches. FWIW"

 

Begs the question, what size group does this rifle shoot with jacketed?  And what jacketed bullet was used?  If it is not well under MOA with jacketed, could be it's doing about all it will do with cast as well.  Just sayin'.

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bruce posted this 12 April 2018

I read this and then looked at Single sevens on Ruger.com. The bird head caught my eye. It looks like a slightly reduced version of my .45 Colt birdhead Vaquero. Ruger has lots of .327s out now. It almost seems like the round is getting traction.

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delmarskid posted this 12 April 2018

I have a single seven Ruger in 327. I like it a lot. I have not fired the Smith and Wesson or H&R rounds in it but I enjoy .32acp's in it a lot. It likes 32 mag data in the 327 case just fine. I bought red powder coated bullets to make the light rounds to make the ID easier.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 11 April 2018

300 blk .... sometimes we have lots of answers but not very many questions ... applause

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RicinYakima posted this 11 April 2018

Correct John! the other cast bullet site I visit has several guys shooting 300 BLK from the AR-15 platform. They are very excited to be getting 1.5" three shot groups at 100 with powder coated bullets. Scearcy, this fast twist .30 cast bullet shooting has lots of unanswered questions and room to expand our knowledge of cast bullet techniques. That is why I don't think the 32/20 and 300 BLK have much in common.

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John Alexander posted this 11 April 2018

Thanks Jim. When a shooter says a gun shoots cast "very well," "accurately", "into small groups"," like a lazer", or whatever, it would be helpful if they then give a hint about what their adverb of choice translates into in group measurements. 

John

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Scearcy posted this 11 April 2018

I have a 1x10" 300 Blackout.  It shoots cast very well I guess but I could never get it below about 1.1" at 100yds. It shoots light bullets very well at 50 yards. I have picked up a Ruger ranch rifle but have done very little with it so far. The fast twist could be an issue but hopefully not with plinking loads.

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RicinYakima posted this 11 April 2018

Not really, as the 32/20 has a normal twist rate of 1/20 and the 300 BLK is 1/7. One should not expect bullets to interchange very well for accuracy. One of my shooting partners has one, but it doesn't seem to be very accurate with any cast loads, yet. So far every 10 shot group at 100 is about 2+ inches. FWIW

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bruce posted this 11 April 2018

It would seem that the 300 BLK is essentially a high pressure version of the 32-20 at .308 rather than .312. Is that a fair comparison?

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bruce posted this 11 April 2018

I feel somewhat like Rip Van Winkle. Now that I have been revived in 2018 I have noticed the 300 Blackout, which seems to be the plinker’s dream-come-true. I think I will purchase one of the new Ruger Ranch rifles that take AR magazines. Any of the 30-30 size cast bullets with a dab of powder should make quiet but effective loads. Have any readers tried 100 grainers at subsonic speeds

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Ed Harris posted this 18 February 2018

Ed have you try that with a 44mag case?

 

Never saw the need to use .44 Magnum brass this way, as in the shorter case the Speer capsules are better, loaded in accordance with their directions.

The 5 in 1 cases closed with the .44-40 Game Getter Long Shot will fit into .44 Magnum chambers, and the longer case holds more shot.  If you use the .45 ACP Shot-crimp they might not go in, depending upon your chamber...

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Urny posted this 18 February 2018

That is great demo.  Thank you for that, it is on the list of things to do.

 

Urny

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Coydog posted this 18 February 2018

Ed have you try that with a 44mag case?

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RicinYakima posted this 17 February 2018

Great demo Ed!

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Ed Harris posted this 17 February 2018

Expand case with .44 Mag or .44-40 expander to reduce taper and make case more cylindrical, flare mouth a bit. 

Charge primed case with 5 grains of Bullseye. 

Keep powder charge light due to large flash hole in blank case. Patterns are better too.

Thumb Walters .44 card wad into case mouth and seat onto powder with 3/8" dowell.

Insert Federal 410SC shotcup firmly on card. 

DO NOT omit the overpowder card, as powder will leak past the .410 plastic shot cup and cause bloopers.

Fill shot cup to case mouth with fine shot, No.8 or No.9. 

Place .36 cal. card over shot inside protruding fingers of shot cup and crimp shell in .44 Game Getter Long Shot, or .45 ACP Shotshell die.  Also possible to make your own crimp die by cutting 1/2" off bottom of Lee .308 Win.seater and insert blank Lyman or RCBS lubricator stem inside seater and adjust to mid-point of shoulder in die to position card while you bump case mouth against shoulder to form crimp. 

After crimping trim protruding wad fingers flush with sharp knife.

Photos below show full process and typical patterns in .44-40 rifle and cylinder bore .410

   

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Urny posted this 17 February 2018

Thanks for that information, Ed.  Is loading the Starline 5 in 1 with shot something you have tried, or know of someone else having tried?  Starline in Sedalia is not a great distance from our place in Wright County, Missouri, and just across the lot from Sierra.  Something to think about.

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Ed Harris posted this 16 February 2018

.... Reading Ed's various pieces about bunny guns, especially the converted small frame shotguns is likely what got me back into the CBA.  This is fun stuff indeed.  One of those small frame H&R break opens is in my gun safe, marked .44 Shot I think, and will be sent off for conversion when my time in Nevada is done.  If it is reasonable to safely accomplish the existing barrel might become a .410 too...

Rechambering to .410 is feasible, but so is loading the .44 Shot using Starline 5 in 1 blank cases.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Coydog posted this 15 February 2018

I have a 327mag Blackhawk and also had a 327mag made from a H&R Handi rifle. I need to get it sight in I got it not long ago since it got finish, I also have a 32 ACP KelTec . i reload for 327 Mag ,32 H&R, 32S&W Long,32 S&W and 32 ACP As for loads in my 327 mag I go by what the guns tell me that it likes. For light loads I go with the smaller carts.

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bruce posted this 15 February 2018

I must have taken a few years off from posting! I recognize myself as the guy that started the thread with my H&R breaktop in September 2008. Not long after that I got a Tokarov, also a .32 of sorts. I haven’t even taken it to the range yet. How many readers have some sort of .327 Federal Magnum firearm by now? Do handloaders looking for light loads use the .327 FM brass typically? Any new ideas in bunny guns? Well, somebody asked if it was impolite to revive a thread after all these years. I’m glad it happened!

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