Have a 'bug-out bag"?

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tturner53 posted this 26 September 2011

Reading the latest The Fouling Shot CBA magazine there's a good article about .38 Sp. ammo by Ed Harris. In it he mentions a 'bug-out bag' and his choice for ammo. It got me thinking. Maybe I need to get more organized and have a bag too. You never know. I confess I entertain myself with wild scenarios, what-ifs, and even watch zombie movies. Got a bug-out bag? What's in it? To start the ball rolling my thoughts have been I'd take my Ruger Single Six .22/.22mag. A guy can carry a lot of ammo and a .22 mag fmj will penetrate a zombie skull.

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joeb33050 posted this 26 September 2011

I'm too busy burying gold coins and food in 4” pvc pipe sections, clothing, and tools. 5 gallon cans of gas also.I have to be ready when THEY come! But wait, the food, gold coins, clothing and gas I buried before Y2K is still in the woods! I'll check it, and if it is still in good shape I'll start on the underground sniper nest so I can defend against THEM. Now where did I bury those coins? Yikes! joe b.

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CB posted this 26 September 2011

I remember when conversations like this was the mark of loonies. Now it's commonplace, and even common sense. I was a survivor, when survival wasn't cool.

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Notlwonk posted this 26 September 2011

GI pack containing:  22 LR ammo, MRE's and heaters, water purifier, pint size stainless pot with lid and handle, a knife or two, soap, fishing hooks etc, flint, paper towels, compass. and probably a bunch of ther stuff that I've forgotten. I need to go thru it again, it's been 10 years since I put it together. 

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CB posted this 27 September 2011

you could probably use some fresh MREs :)

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pat i. posted this 27 September 2011

Nowhere to bug out to so I have a bug in bag. Ten cases of Bud Light, three dozen Slim Jims, five bags of Doritos, 50 rolls of Charmin (I'll need it after all those Slim Jims), a Baby Browning with a clip full of Knockemflats, and a candle. Figure the roads and woods will be so full of bug outs that if I run out of anything I'll just go over to a house where the owner bugged out and “borrow” it.

Bugging out when the zombies attack sounds like a grand idea but truth be told I'd be worm food in a week, along with most everyone else, if I actually tried doing it. Plus without “Dancing With The Stars” to look forward to what reason would there be to go on anyway?

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tturner53 posted this 27 September 2011

anachronism wrote: you could probably use some fresh MREs :) You guys are cracking me up. But it is hard to throw out MREs, I know. I have some that are 15 yrs. old at least. On a hunting trip a few years ago my son ate one, later in the truck he farted the worst fart I've ever smelled in my life. He was proud as could be the way young guys are when they really kill you with a bad one.  -I've been reading a book by Jerry Ahern, one of the 'Survivalist' series. Probably affecting my thinking. If I bug out I'll need a bug out truck, like Pat I'm addicted to comfort. I used to go out for a week with only primitive stuff, Hawken and a wool Hudson Bay blanket kind of thing. Maybe I watched “Red Dawn” once too many times

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Notlwonk posted this 27 September 2011

Yeh, truth be known, it'll be tough to make me leave home, plenty of woods and water.

 

Fresh MREs?  I thought the'd be good for decades.  May I should try one someday when I'm not going anywhere and the wife is away.  :shock:

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Ed Harris posted this 27 September 2011

Good info here

http://www.w4ava.org/races/KKauxcomm33.htm

If you want a pre-packaged kit, the best available commercially assembled survival kit is: http://www.bestglide.com/wildernesssurvivorsurvivalkit.html

Best Glide Aviation Survival Equipment is a prime contractor to the US military, government agencies and NGOs. They are experts, have been doing this for many years and this is their only business. Most components in their kits are the actual military specification, NSN and NATO approved items issued to our warfighters deployed worldwide. All items are of the highest quality, their staff have great subject matter knowledge and I recommend them highly.

To the above kit, I recommend highly that you add the following:

1) One or both of the following books: “Six Ways In, Twelve Ways Out” http://usrsog.org/manu.htm This basic skills manual by George Jasper is a compilation of training material that U.S. RSOG cadre uses to train military personnel during the Survival and Evasion course. The Commander of U.S. RSOG has added brief text that applies to the material about cadre experiences in the field. There are over 185 pages of text and simple to follow illustrations. The manual is $15.00 postage paid and all proceeds from the sale of this manual go to the training budget of U.S. RSOG personnel. Not available through Amazon, except for occasional used copies which may cost more than the list price. Send $15.00 check or money order to:

U.S. RSOG 4600 N. Hardesty Kansas City MO 64117

“Survivalist Family” will show you how to ensure you and your loved ones come through to the other side of what waits. Written by Joe Fox of Viking Services LLC and vikingpreparedness.com. Joe has been living the preparedness lifestyle since he was a child, and now teaches men, women and children all over the country to prepare and survive. A former Special Forces officer, USRSOG Cadre and SERE instructor, Joe will impart knowledge you just cannot get anywhere else. ISBN: 978-1-935018-25-4 Price: $19.95 http://drupal.vikingpreparedness.com/node/48 http://www.amazon.com/Survivalist-Family-Prepared-Americans-America/dp/1935018256/ref=sr11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1306408253&sr=1-1

10 of 10 people found the following review helpful: 5.0 out of 5 stars Best book for the new prepper, May 21, 2010

By Rich (Boston, MA United States) - See all my reviews This review is from: Survivalist Family Prepared Americans for a Strong America (Paperback) This is an incredibly easy-to-follow book, complete with lists and priorities. It emphasizes doing instead of buying and uses real life examples to explain why many tasks are emphasized over others. At 195 pages it's not difficult to read and it won't provide earth-shattering secrets to make you Rambo overnight. It focuses on the basics that most of us forget because we're too busy whacking at the trees to see the forest. I have a good library and this is the book that everyone should start with. If you are already an experienced prepper then you should still buy two copies of the book. One to make sure you've covered the basics, and the other to give to your friends who still think the government will save them during the next natural disaster.

2) Katadyn Vario Water Filter http://www.rei.com/product/750927/katadyn-vario-water-filter

3) US Military Canteen, Cup and Stove Survival Unit http://www.bestglide.com/usintegralsurvivalunit.html

4) 6 oz. jar of petroleum jelly and bag of cotton balls for fire starting ”€œ (buy these at the drug store)

5) Heavy wool-blend blanket. Get a good one at least 85% wool, weighing 4 pounds or more in a 66x90 size. A year ago these were common military surplus, but are now getting harder to find in good quality. This one is OK http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=767955

6) Wool stocking cap, mittens and warm socks, pack in gallon Ziplok bag. (you probably already have these)

7) Complete change of sturdy outdoor clothing, - imagine there is a fire, and that you must exit the house wearing only your nightgown. Pack in a separate bag with snap-link you can attach to your ruck, long pants, shirt/blouse, underwear, socks, hat, sturdy shoes with enclosed toe and traction sole, windbreaker, fleece or sweater, poncho.

8) LED headlamp plus a set of extra batteries, this is a good one which is reasonable in cost: http://www.rescueresponse.com/store/petzlstikkinas2headlampsrescueslightinge91e91pe.html

9) Sturdy 5 inch fixed blade sheath knife similar to http://www.bestglide.com/AFSurvivalKnifeInfo.html

10) U-Dig-It folding spade http://www.bestglide.com/UDIGITInfo.html (multiple uses, as dry fire starting surface, carry burning tinder to fuel, position coals, field sanitation, etc.) Much better than a plastic backpacker spade.

11) Fiskars woodzig folding saw http://www.backyardstyle.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-27270&source=cashbackShopping brand important because this saw won't clog and can be sharpened with a chain saw file.

12) Quik-Clot Sport 50 pack (if trained/ qualified as first responder EMT etc. get the law enforcement trauma kit) http://www.bestglide.com/quikclotpage.htm

13) 100 ft. parachute cord Mil-C-5040H Type III http://www.bestglide.com/550cordinfo.html

OPTIONAL ITEMS:
Always customize your kit as needed based upon location, terrain, family needs and other essential considerations Pocket Notebook, Waterproof, Pen, Cover NSN 7530-01-536-2665

http://www.bestglide.com/riteintherainnotebooks.html

Carbon monoxide detector http://www.bestglide.com/QuantumEyeInfo.html

Radiation monitor: http://www.nukalert.com/

"Beginner level” issues of stocking a food pantry: http://frugaldad.com/2010/08/09/the-frugal-pantry-project/ There are some good things to take away from the comments.

More Info from LDS web site http://www.providentliving.org/channel/0,11677,1706-1,00.html

Reliable companies I use as sources either for individual food items and assembled “food units” http://www.internet-grocer.net/foodpack.htm
http://freezedryguy.com/index.html
http://freezedryguy.net/Store/tabid/536/Default.aspx http://www.freezedryguy.net/Specials/tabid/449/Default.aspx http://www.freezedryguy.net/Store/Products/tabid/760/CategoryID/413/Default.aspx http://www.readyreservefoods.com/home/

For further reference this site is divided into 15 sub-categories making it easier to find whatever type of info you are looking for. Recommend downloading this to a thumb drive to have if there is no internet to go to. Includes medical reference, dentistry, medication info, communications, food storage, and other useful emergency information:

http://www.preppers.info/FreeDownloads.html#Skills

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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CB posted this 27 September 2011

I know why you watch “Dancing With The Stars” Pat, you got the hots for Christ Alley! ;)

I've gone 'bug-out bag' mobile. My home is on wheels (camper) and am now putting the finishing touches on a mobile supply trailer. Just as long as I have enough notice to bug-out ahead of enemy lines and have enough fuel to make for a safe zone.............Dan

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CB posted this 29 September 2011

I know you have a great list going there Ed, but greatest of one's own survival is to have the knowledge, and probably the best knowledge is improvisation. People who know how to modify and adapt to what is available will be the ones to succeed. Gee, don't mean to sound like a reality show! :-(

People should also consider what the exact danger is in their area and conform their 'bug-out bag' for what may be their specific needs. No matter where or what, I consider water to be the most important item needed. Carrying a long-time supply of water is too inconvenient, so purifiers and boiling utensils are the most practical. Here in the Midwest we do have tornados, but for the most part they are specific and small to damage areas. Here, I consider the New Madrid fault line to be our greatest risk for a MAJOR disaster, though we do have a few local nuclear generating stations. If the New Madrid hits here like it did in 1811, it would be a miserable major disaster”¦”¦”¦..Dan

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tturner53 posted this 29 September 2011

Not to worry anybody, but the other night Morgan Freeman said the Entire east coast will be wiped off the map, 40 miles inland, by a giant tsunami, then Yellowstone will blow, taking out everything for a thousand miles. Sorry, I'm just the messenger. The good news we will be fine in Cal. and have the last laugh on all of you who wished we'd just slip off into the ocean.

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Ed Harris posted this 29 September 2011

Then all we have to worry about for 2012 are which of the candidates are really space aliens.

Joe, I am told if you tie a Democrat fund raising letter to your divining rod, and walk your back yard while blindfolded during a thunderstorm, it will locate those buried coins for you. 8-)

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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BerdanIII posted this 30 September 2011

Re: MRE's

Do NOT get the Jamaican pork chop.

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RicinYakima posted this 30 September 2011

Jamaican Pork Chop? Is there a story here?

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Ed Harris posted this 30 September 2011

Current generation's equivalent to “Green Eggs and Ham” or “Ham and Mothers,” depending upon your individual experience.

I would also stay away from HDR's, aka as the “Humanitarian Daily Ration,” where the phrase came from “Meals Rejected By Ethiopians."

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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RicinYakima posted this 01 October 2011

Ah! Ham and lima beans! I remember those, but none of the MRE's I can find have 4 packs of Philip Morris Commanders or P-38's. Also avoid the stuff made for FEMA, as it only has 1/2 the food value of MilSpec ones I understand.

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tturner53 posted this 01 October 2011

I remember when Air Force “survival rations” for flight crews came with benzedrine.

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Ed Harris posted this 01 October 2011

And unlubricated Trojan condoms came in C rations. To keep water out of the muzzle of your M16, of course, or to insert in a sock to use as an emergency water container supposedly, but trying to actually inflate one with water is tricky unless your water source has velocity...

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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pat i. posted this 03 October 2011

Ed Harris wrote: Good info here

http://www.w4ava.org/races/KKauxcomm33.htm>http://www.w4ava.org/races/KKauxcomm33.htm

If you want a pre-packaged kit, the best available commercially assembled survival kit is: http://www.bestglide.com/wilderness_survivor_survival_kit.html>http://www.bestglide.com/wildernesssurvivorsurvivalkit.html

Best Glide Aviation Survival Equipment is a prime contractor to the US military, government agencies and NGOs. They are experts, have been doing this for many years and this is their only business. Most components in their kits are the actual military specification, NSN and NATO approved items issued to our warfighters deployed worldwide. All items are of the highest quality, their staff have great subject matter knowledge and I recommend them highly.

To the above kit, I recommend highly that you add the following:

1) One or both of the following books: “Six Ways In, Twelve Ways Out” http://usrsog.org/manu.htm>http://usrsog.org/manu.htm This basic skills manual by George Jasper is a compilation of training material that U.S. RSOG cadre uses to train military personnel during the Survival and Evasion course. The Commander of U.S. RSOG has added brief text that applies to the material about cadre experiences in the field. There are over 185 pages of text and simple to follow illustrations. The manual is $15.00 postage paid and all proceeds from the sale of this manual go to the training budget of U.S. RSOG personnel. Not available through Amazon, except for occasional used copies which may cost more than the list price. Send $15.00 check or money order to:

U.S. RSOG 4600 N. Hardesty Kansas City MO 64117

“Survivalist Family” will show you how to ensure you and your loved ones come through to the other side of what waits. Written by Joe Fox of Viking Services LLC and vikingpreparedness.com. Joe has been living the preparedness lifestyle since he was a child, and now teaches men, women and children all over the country to prepare and survive. A former Special Forces officer, USRSOG Cadre and SERE instructor, Joe will impart knowledge you just cannot get anywhere else. ISBN: 978-1-935018-25-4 Price: $19.95 http://drupal.vikingpreparedness.com/node/48>http://drupal.vikingpreparedness.com/node/48 http://www.amazon.com/Survivalist-Family-Prepared-Americans-America/dp/1935018256/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1306408253&sr=1-1>http://www.amazon.com/Survivalist-Family-Prepared-Americans-America/dp/1935018256/ref=sr11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1306408253&sr=1-1

10 of 10 people found the following review helpful: 5.0 out of 5 stars Best book for the new prepper, May 21, 2010

By Rich (Boston, MA United States) - See all my reviews This review is from: Survivalist Family Prepared Americans for a Strong America (Paperback) This is an incredibly easy-to-follow book, complete with lists and priorities. It emphasizes doing instead of buying and uses real life examples to explain why many tasks are emphasized over others. At 195 pages it's not difficult to read and it won't provide earth-shattering secrets to make you Rambo overnight. It focuses on the basics that most of us forget because we're too busy whacking at the trees to see the forest. I have a good library and this is the book that everyone should start with. If you are already an experienced prepper then you should still buy two copies of the book. One to make sure you've covered the basics, and the other to give to your friends who still think the government will save them during the next natural disaster.

2) Katadyn Vario Water Filter http://www.rei.com/product/750927/katadyn-vario-water-filter>http://www.rei.com/product/750927/katadyn-vario-water-filter

3) US Military Canteen, Cup and Stove Survival Unit http://www.bestglide.com/us_integral_survival_unit.html>http://www.bestglide.com/usintegralsurvivalunit.html

4) 6 oz. jar of petroleum jelly and bag of cotton balls for fire starting ”€œ (buy these at the drug store)

5) Heavy wool-blend blanket. Get a good one at least 85% wool, weighing 4 pounds or more in a 66x90 size. A year ago these were common military surplus, but are now getting harder to find in good quality. This one is OK http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=767955>http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=767955

6) Wool stocking cap, mittens and warm socks, pack in gallon Ziplok bag. (you probably already have these)

7) Complete change of sturdy outdoor clothing, - imagine there is a fire, and that you must exit the house wearing only your nightgown. Pack in a separate bag with snap-link you can attach to your ruck, long pants, shirt/blouse, underwear, socks, hat, sturdy shoes with enclosed toe and traction sole, windbreaker, fleece or sweater, poncho.

8) LED headlamp plus a set of extra batteries, this is a good one which is reasonable in cost: http://www.rescueresponse.com/store/petzls_tikkinas_2_headlamps_rescues_lighting_e91_e91pe.html>http://www.rescueresponse.com/store/petzlstikkinas2headlampsrescueslightinge91e91pe.html

9) Sturdy 5 inch fixed blade sheath knife similar to http://www.bestglide.com/AF_Survival_Knife_Info.html>http://www.bestglide.com/AFSurvivalKnifeInfo.html

10) U-Dig-It folding spade http://www.bestglide.com/UDIGIT_Info.html>http://www.bestglide.com/UDIGITInfo.html (multiple uses, as dry fire starting surface, carry burning tinder to fuel, position coals, field sanitation, etc.) Much better than a plastic backpacker spade.

11) Fiskars woodzig folding saw http://www.backyardstyle.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-27270&source=cashbackShopping>http://www.backyardstyle.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-27270&source=cashbackShopping brand important because this saw won't clog and can be sharpened with a chain saw file.

12) Quik-Clot Sport 50 pack (if trained/ qualified as first responder EMT etc. get the law enforcement trauma kit) http://www.bestglide.com/quikclotpage.htm>http://www.bestglide.com/quikclotpage.htm

13) 100 ft. parachute cord Mil-C-5040H Type III http://www.bestglide.com/550_cord_info.html>http://www.bestglide.com/550cordinfo.html

OPTIONAL ITEMS: Always customize your kit as needed based upon location, terrain, family needs and other essential considerations Pocket Notebook, Waterproof, Pen, Cover NSN 7530-01-536-2665

http://www.bestglide.com/riteintherain_notebooks.html>http://www.bestglide.com/riteintherainnotebooks.html

Carbon monoxide detector http://www.bestglide.com/Quantum_Eye_Info.html>http://www.bestglide.com/QuantumEyeInfo.html

Radiation monitor: http://www.nukalert.com/>http://www.nukalert.com/

"Beginner level” issues of stocking a food pantry: http://frugaldad.com/2010/08/09/the-frugal-pantry-project/>http://frugaldad.com/2010/08/09/the-frugal-pantry-project/ There are some good things to take away from the comments.

More Info from LDS web site http://www.providentliving.org/channel/0,11677,1706-1,00.html>http://www.providentliving.org/channel/0,11677,1706-1,00.html

Reliable companies I use as sources either for individual food items and assembled “food units” http://www.internet-grocer.net/foodpack.htm>http://www.internet-grocer.net/foodpack.htm http://freezedryguy.com/index.html>http://freezedryguy.com/index.html http://freezedryguy.net/Store/tabid/536/Default.aspx>http://freezedryguy.net/Store/tabid/536/Default.aspx http://www.freezedryguy.net/Specials/tabid/449/Default.aspx>http://www.freezedryguy.net/Specials/tabid/449/Default.aspx http://www.freezedryguy.net/Store/Products/tabid/760/CategoryID/413/Default.aspx>http://www.freezedryguy.net/Store/Products/tabid/760/CategoryID/413/Default.aspx http://www.readyreservefoods.com/home/>http://www.readyreservefoods.com/home/

For further reference this site is divided into 15 sub-categories making it easier to find whatever type of info you are looking for. Recommend downloading this to a thumb drive to have if there is no internet to go to. Includes medical reference, dentistry, medication info, communications, food storage, and other useful emergency information:

http://www.preppers.info/Free_Downloads.html#Skills>http://www.preppers.info/FreeDownloads.html#Skills

One last thing you forgot to include...................................your bug out transportation!!

http://www.peterbilt.com/index.aspx>http://www.peterbilt.com/index.aspx

 

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biddulph posted this 03 October 2011

I think my bug out bag would include the following: . sleeping bag .sleeping mat . hootchie half or light weight snow camping tent . bullet mould for rifle taken to cast for non gas check bullets . at least one pound of powder for chosen load . 100 cases for rifle . 1000 primers to suite . 100 copper jacketed hunting bullets for same (cast new when these run out: these should be loaded onto the cases at this time) .minimal dies and hand press set to best OAL for bullet and load: glue the die down after this so it can't move: OAL will be for bullets cast from the mould you carry. . pliers . basic light tools for rifle . small bottle oil . pull through/bore snake etc: emphasis on light weight: we'll be carrying all this in a back pack. .cut pieces of rubber innertube for fire lighters (burns when wet and can be used for bungy cords.) . cig lighters, matches and small magnifying glass for fire starting .Boots, socks, wool shirt, rain gear (gortex) . 100' good strong cord . machette and small stone: doubles as axe. .knife: something like a bayonet plus a spoon. . cups canteen, billy or pot. :hat for sun and cold . thin wire for snares . some kind of dense reading matter: bible, das kapital, atlas shruged, war and peace, shakespear, rise and fall of the roman empire etc for intellectual stimulation. .compas . water bags that collapse small: esp. wine bladders from boxed wine or specialty stuff from champing store. . small short wave radio or crystle set. (for news, if any) .trade stuff: tobacco: bulk, at least 5 pounds: bound to be lots of stressed out people who could trade food etc. .perhaps a bit and halter in case a horse can be located: no need to carry fuel... can eat grass: transport or back pack carrier: could also work for donkey or mule. . sewing kit: needle, thread. . first aide kit: anti biotics, morphine tablets, codeine etc. disenfectant, sticking plasters (one goes over the muzzle to keep mud out in case of accident!) . Head torch : but only use in emergency: get camped down and ready to sleep by dusk: up at dawn. .food: can't carry too much but high energy stuff good weight to bulk ratio: rice, chocolate, dried fish, dried meat, salami, dried fruit, nuts etc. . fishing line, hooks, lure or two. Wire can be used for trace if fish have line cutting teeth.

Don't know how much this little lot would weigh but I guess in the vicinity of 25kg or 50 pounds or so. More with full water. Good for 2 days then more water needed, 7 days then more food needed.

Lead for moulds can be found from normal places: roofs, dead cars etc. Would definately consider using battery lead in the apocolyptic night mare scenario we are contimplating here. Lead to be melted over fire in salvaged tin can and poured with spout made by squeezing tin and with the pliers.

Powder measurement would be with something like the lee dippers: light and break proof. Would only need the one or two that give the weight required. Again, lightness in the name of the game here.

Would want to find a sanctuary where food was easy to find: probably the coast where at least shell fish could be got and birds shot.

Perhaps a shot gun may be a better beast? Then again we'd need to look at some sort of muzzle loader that can take shot: perhaps a smooth bore flintlock... powder to sort and some kind of recipe for making more out of raw ingredients eventually...

... we are presuming that the products of industrialisation are going to quickly run out... ditto batteries... so saving fat from what we shoot and clarifying it to produce lubrication for bullets and fuel for wick lamp may be useful...

To what purpose all this is is debatable... life would be like the old days: mean, brutal, and short.

I'd seek out a nice dry cave close to the coast and hunker down on a diet of shell fish, sea birds and what ever wandered past whilst memorising my reading material... and casting the perfect low tech bullet!

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