If a fellow wanted to shoot .310 cast bullets in a 30-06 and wanted to buy a bushing neck size die, what size would he get. I do realize that different makes of cases have different neck thickness.
Bushing size for neck die?
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nimrod
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27 January 2013
I shoot at .311 bullet in a 30-06 R-P Brass and use a .335 so I would guess .334. I'll double check that to make sure of the size. To me it's about right not too tight not too loose I can engrave the nose of the bullet a bit and it stays put in the case.
RB
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pat i.
posted this
27 January 2013
I'd probably start with .333 if only buying one. Bushings and neck tension are something you'll end up playing with once you get a bushing die so if money's not a issue buy .332, .333, and .334 bushings right off the bat and save the shipping costs later. I'd also post a wanted to buy ad on a couple of forums to see if someone has the die or bushings they don't use anymore.
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nimrod
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27 January 2013
I went back and checked to make sure and I told you wrong I'm using a .336 sorry about that. I was only off by a .001 that's not bad for me there's been lots of time I was off by a whole more than that.
RB
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nimrod
posted this
27 January 2013
Just for good measure I went back to the reloading room and had a few rounds already loaded and measured the outside diameter of the ammo with the .311 bullet R-P cases and the OD measured .3375 to .338 so I'm sizing down .002 from loaded ammo if the helps you any.
RB
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onondaga
posted this
27 January 2013
I shoot .3105” sized/gaschecked bullets from my 1903A3 rifle in 30-06 Springfield. I use the standard Lee Collet Neck Sizing Die with no difficulties and get remarkable accuracy.
My bench/hunting load uses a 170 gr FNGC in #2 alloy and with ~ 2000 fps, groups 1/2” @ 50 yards regularly with open military sights for my grandson or myself using H4831SC.
Collet neck sizing die alone:
The die set with collet neck die is inexpensive and excellent for 30-06 with large diameter bullets:
Lee Universal Expander:
Lee FCD in 30-06:
Personally, I believe the case prep neck brushing/mica is a big plus before collet neck sizing for getting the accuracy I achieve in this rifle/caliber. I do it again before charging and seating the bullet too:
Gary
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Chargar
posted this
28 January 2013
Thanks Gary for the info. I have several Lee Collet neck dies in the calibers I most often load, including the 30-06. I also have an assortment of traditional ful length and neck dies for the same calibers.
I was just thinking about trying a bushing die for the heck of it. I am very satisfyed with my cast bullet shooting in the 30-06 round. I have 6 rifles in that caliber. But, you never know is something might be better unless you give it a try.
I got my first 03A3 from the DCM in 1961 and have had a number of them since then. I have been shooting cast bullets in them since day 1.
I have been reloading since 1958 and think I have the basic down by now.
Again, thanks for the input.
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onondaga
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28 January 2013
I believe a bushing die would be a big step down from the Lee Collet Neck Sizing Die that you have already. The 03A3s sure are fun! Mine is not a collector piece but was built with all new unused arsenal parts, including an unused 1942 REM barrel on a commercial National Ordinance receiver from the 1960s. I got it about 2 years ago. The rifle is tight and shoots nice.
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pat i.
posted this
28 January 2013
Get the Redding neck bushing die or a Wilson and there's no pushing or pulling. You can use a brass hammer to tap or an arbor press to push the case into a Wilson die and do all your reloading at the bench. I use both Redding and Wilson dies and they're both good. If the case gets a little snug after a while just resize it with a FL die and you're back in business. With normal cast bullets loads I doubt this will happen. I don't load for any autoloaders so maybe in that case a FL die is needed but for bolt guns and single shots a neck die and hammer is all you'll need.
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Chargar
posted this
28 January 2013
Pat, I will probably go with the Wilson. I sorta have a thing for hand tools, although I have a few presses bolted on the bench. an arbor press also lives there.
Gary, I don't know if a bushing die is a step up or a step down until I try it. I can get accuracy with cast bullets fully equal to the best match jacketed loads.
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nimrod
posted this
28 January 2013
You would have a very hard comvincing a whole bunch 6PPC shooters in the benchrest game that it does work very well.
RB
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TRKakaCatWhisperer
posted this
29 January 2013
I use the Wilson for necksizing 6 or 8 calibers for jacketed bullets. You need one or two collets for each - .001 different - to accomodate differences in brass. For cast you should go a bit bigger.
BUT, my best results come from hand making the expander in two or three diameters. The small diameter for the corrct tension on the bullet (1 to 3 thousandths) and a second diameter with minimal (.001") clearance to allow a slip fit for 1/10” of an inch to start the bullet in the case. A third 'diameter' would be to cut a slight taper to open the case to accept the bullet without shearing off any lead.
Size the neck to the minimal amount that allows the 2 or 3 diameter expander to work.
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R Dupraz
posted this
29 January 2013
I have also made various size expander plugs to get the fit that I want in straight walled rifle cases when seating PB bullets. Mostly for the BPCR and some smokeless where the Lee collet die is not available.But have never thought of the step idea. Interesting, will have to try that.
I have a 32-40 project going on right now where that may be the answer to a loading problem.
RD
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pat i.
posted this
29 January 2013
I do all my loading at the bench anymore. For gas checked bullets I use a button .002 under loaded neck diameter push the bullet in a little bit by hand and let the throat seat it. There's a lot to be said for loading at the bench especially when working up a load.
For my plain base bullet I use the little gizmo below. It's got a .308 body and a .316 expander step. I either tap it in with a hammer or use my arbor press. The Wilson die will only size about 3/8 inch of the neck and I'm sizing it down the same .002 under loaded diameter so it's not a problem pulling it back out by hand. Seems to work alright. My lathe is still in pieces so I had Buckshot make it for me. 12 bucks if I remember right.
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