50/95 wcf

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locksmith1 posted this 20 February 2013

Anyone here cast 300 gr. bullets for the 50/95? I have been casting the 349 gr Lyman bullet,sizing it to 515 as I seem to have a large chamber. I have a Chapparal express rifle. Bob

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locksmith1 posted this 24 February 2013

Guess not. Bob

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Black and Blue posted this 24 February 2013

Hi Bob, One the guys I shoot BPCR silhouette with has a 50-95 in a Uberti, will likely see him next weekend. If you can provide me with a few more specifics on what you are looking for, curious about, etc. I will be happy to pick his brain for you. All the best, Michael

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onondaga posted this 24 February 2013

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/view_user.php?id=7226>locksmith1:

300 gr is very light for 50-95. You may also consider the readily available Lee molds for that caliber. 450 gr is Lee's lightest:

 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/434163/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-515-450-f-50-70-government-515-diameter-450-grain-flat-nose

$19.95 is a steal and cheap enough to just try this 450 gr Flat Nose.

I don't know what load level you are seeking but I have great success with .458 Win Mag using reduced loads with BPI Original ballistic filler that acts as a quasi gas check and extends the load range with cast plain base bullets:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/695248/bpi-shot-buffer-original-500cc-approximately-1-2-lb

Gary

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PETE posted this 24 February 2013

Bob,

Not sure what you plan on using that lite a bullet in a .50/95, so I hesitated to answer.

In my .50/90 SS I shoot a 625 gr. Brooks bullet ahead of 92 grs. of Swiss 1 1/2.

Pete

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Black and Blue posted this 24 February 2013

Yep, I drop 94gr of Fg in my 50-90 behind a 650gr PJ in a 2.5” case, chambered in an 1874 Sharps.

That being said, let us step back here a bit and look at the .50-95 WCF round in a bit more detail.

The .50 2.5” (50-90 Sharps) and the .50-95 WCF are 2 completely different rounds, rifles and applications. The 50-95 WCF was developed for use in the 1876 Win Centennial lever gun, case length is only 1.94” with and overall ctg length of around 2.25". We are talking the short 40-60, 45-60, and 45-75 sized rounds. Not the bigger ctgs for the Sharps, Hi-Walls, and Rolling Block, etc. single shots. Orig factory bullet weight was only 300grs. Even 350grs is appoaching the heavy side for this rifle/ctg combo. Bumping weight up further intoduces a host of other issues. Gobbling up case capacity, creating COL issues for reliable feeding and crimping, and turing the '76 lever gun into a single shot, provided the longer bullets will even stablize.

I don't what it is about it, but I love ctg history. Michael.

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locksmith1 posted this 24 February 2013

Just wanting to see how the 300 gr. would shoot. I use the Lee 450 gr bullet. It has to seated pretty deep, but shoots good. I had the Lee mold machined down to a 360 gr bullet. I like to stay in the 1500-1550 fps range. I replaced the front & rear sights on the rifle with Lyman globe sight & the rear with a marble tang. I recieved alot of help from the guys at Buffaloe Arms on replaceing the tang sight. Not enough elevation on the sight stem. All the cast bullets shoot better sized as cast (.515) Bob

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PETE posted this 24 February 2013

B&B,

My mistake. Not knowing I was thinking the .50/95 was just the .50/90 with more powder in it like the .50/100. In my .50/90 I've gone as high as 110 grs. of 1 1/2 Swiss with no problems. Just dropped back down because that's where the accuracy was.

Pete

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Black and Blue posted this 25 February 2013

Hi Pete, Easy to do, there are so many variants out there it is mind boggling. Not to hi-jack the thread, over the coarse of the load work on my 50, charges have run between 94gr and 106gr of Goex Fg. With all things being equal except for compression, velocity span over than weight range was less than 100fps, go figure, feed 'em what they like. Hopefully the best accuracy and low vel spreads will happen at the same charge weight.

Michael.

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locksmith1 posted this 23 March 2014

I tried some loads listed by accurate powder using 5744. Using the 340 gr Lyman & 39.0 5744 I got the 1500 fps I was looking for. I had problems with ignition so went with the CCI 250 primer. I didn't go up to the 42 gr max that was listed. Fair amount of recoil, about the same as the load of Triple seven. Bob

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R. Dupraz posted this 23 March 2014

Black and Blue has it right. Probably ought to make sure of what we are talking about before passing out advice.   Cartridges of the World, third edition, page 116. 50-95 Winchester developed for the 1876 repeater and also available in the Colt New Lightening slide action.    Advises loading with BP or very low pressure smokeless suitable for the weak action of the 1876.

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locksmith1 posted this 31 March 2014

Chapparal 1876. 50/95 cartridge looks like a 50/70 shell only a quarter inch longer. Accurate Arms states the new version of the 1876 can handle pressures up to 27,000. However I don't want to load that hot. I have gotten the velocity I was looking for and have found the 300 gr bullet to light for anything except close shooting. The 340 gr Lyman bullet hollow pointed to weight 335 grs works best. Also the 450 gr Lee gives good accuracy with 50/70 loads. Bob

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admiral posted this 31 March 2014

I shoot a gas checked 325gr. in my 1886 50-110

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locksmith1 posted this 06 April 2014

I haven't found a need for gas checks as I cast my Lyman bullets out of linotype to get a larger diameter bullet. Bob

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locksmith1 posted this 02 February 2015

Wow, almost 10 months since posted on the 50/95. Where does the time go? Any way I had the 50/95 out to the range a few weeks ago. Some one had left a few orange clay pigeons on the backstop. So I popped a few just off the bench to see if I could. No problem there. Another member tried his hand. He did well also. Thought it was a hoot. He liked the 76 better than the sks he was shooting.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 06 February 2015

i wonder how much weight a person could remove via hollow pointing a 450 gr. lee bullet ? really serious hollow point ? hmmm . autocad can answer that come to think of it, but would have to shoot them to find out what happens if it goes too big/deep ?

anyone gone too far with hollowpointing ?

my main interest is shooting the nice long 500 gr bullets in my ruger 3 45-70 but reducing the bruised collar bone side effect.

ken

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Bud Hyett posted this 06 February 2015

I owned and shot a 1895 Marlin in .50-110 which is a lever action. I sent a request to LBT for a 300 grain mold per the original loading and Veral Smith returned a 350 grain mold with the notation the 300 grain bullet was too short to shoot well.  The barrel was a rebore of a .33 WCF with a faster twist and handled the 350 grain well. The mold cast at .511 and I sized in a .511 die just to lube them. The 350 grain bullet shot well and did not kick nearly as much as the 450 grain bullet. If I did my part, the rifle was 2 MOA at 100 and 200 yards, which is good for it.

I'd consider the 350 grain bullet, magazine rifles feed the shorter bullets better, in my opinion. I sold the mold to a friend in Boise with a .50 Alaskan and he has been happy with it. He built the .50 Alaskan on a Siamese Mauser and soon liked reduced cast bullet loads.  

Farm boy from Western Illinois, living in the Magical Pacific Northwest

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locksmith1 posted this 08 February 2015

When I hollow point my 340 gr Lyman bullets they weight 335 gr. Hollow point almost half the length of bullet. I use a Forester hollow pointer. Weight loss depends on the dia. of drill bit.

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