MAJOR SCORE ! 1889 Swiss !

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Wheel Weights posted this 27 May 2020

All you Swiss lovers get over to Simpsons Website, just got more in.

This is an minty 1889 with unusual wood. A+ bore and arsenal reblue.

Already have the "Swiss" NOE mold. Gonna be a fun plinker on our 300 yard steel !

Now I have 3 Swiss straight pulls !

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Ross Smith posted this 27 May 2020

YEEHA!

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beagle6 posted this 27 May 2020

What is Simpsons Website?

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 27 May 2020

a question for you swiss guys ... looking at Simpson's  m96-11   #   

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i notice it has a short magazine ...  my swiss 96 has a long magazine.

did the m96-11 go to the short mags ? 

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simpsons has some really tempting goodies there ....  i could have some fun with those old single-shots ! ... 

https://simpsonltd.com/long-guns/

ken

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45 2.1 posted this 27 May 2020


did the m96-11 go to the short mags ? 

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ken
Yes........ 6 round mags as were the G11 and K11

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45 2.1 posted this 27 May 2020

Already have the "Swiss" NOE mold. Gonna be a fun plinker on our 300 yard steel !

You are going to find the '89 a bit different to load for. It took the paper patched issue ammo at a lower pressure loading. It has a very long tapered throat. Paper patching for it with one of the long 30 caliber Lyman loverin molds brings out the best with it.

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Wheel Weights posted this 28 May 2020

So who out there has loaded for one of these ?

Other than the correct dies and light charges what else is different from a K-31.

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45 2.1 posted this 28 May 2020

The case dimensions are slightly different according to the internet authorities, but I've had no trouble using dies for the 11 series rifles. I'm not sure if the K31 dies fit as I don't have any. As mentioned, the long tapered throat is quite big. In my rifles it was about 0.317" at the last point the cast bullet would touch. I would try the 323471 and taper it in a Lee push thru sizer for fit after sizing the bearing body part of the bullet down so it fits the chamber neck OR simply paper patch a long soft 30 caliber loverin so it snugs into the rifling. I've done both and the rifle will shoot into 1.5 to 2 MOA groups up around 2,000 fps or so. You really need to fire some lighter loads (current Swiss ball ammo isn't recommended as a for all the time ammo in this) for chamber fit and throat slug to see what you need to do to make the bullet fit.

This link is a good discussion of some of the intricacies of loading for the '89:

https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?67889-Loading-for-the-1889

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Wheel Weights posted this 03 June 2020

Rifle arrived. It's 99% in and out. Ordered RCBS dies and some l-o-n-g bullets to try, cast and jacketed.

Should be fun.

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Brodie posted this 03 June 2020

Beautiful rifle Wheel Weights, all you need now is a bayonet and you'll have a full length pike.  All kidding aside it really is a good looking gun.  I am just partial to shorter rifle(-been through too much brush country).

B.E.Brickey

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Wheel Weights posted this 05 June 2020

Strictly a range plinker or "rock buster".

 

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Wheel Weights posted this 07 June 2020

FYI, this is why you can but should not use one set of dies for both chambers. RCBS will work but you're sizing the dog poop out of a K31 case.

I use Redding for K31, RCBS for 1889/1911. Hornady makes separate die sets for each. Lee also has a collet neck sizer that works on both. Contrary to internet lore, these is no need to shorten cases from 55 to 53mm as the neck/leade in the early rifles is huge and long.

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Shopdog posted this 07 June 2020

Good work WW. Gotta keep those rocks from overpopulation. Sounds like fun.

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Wheel Weights posted this 3 weeks ago

Found that new Privi cases work fine in 1889 as they have a .457 shoulder. The new RCBS dies and bullets arrived, 220 gr Hornady .308 and PC cast @.310, 160 gr.. Loaded some up w/30gr TAC and off to range Tuesday.

Seated them out as far as I could to still fit in magazine. We'll see how they shoot with original sights and a blind old man.

Once I get back to WY, I'll figure out how to mount an IER scope. Probably involve JB weld and a rail mount as on my 41 Swiss. No holes and no damage.

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Wheel Weights posted this 3 weeks ago

Well, the new Privi cases did not work fine. 1/2 the rounds took a double or triple strike to fire. Once I got the bbl hot, they all went bang. The fired cases look fatter in the shoulder area and probably a bit longer too. But now they are fireformed and sizing will be as little as possible to hold the bullet.

Now I have to get a scope on it as the sights just don"t work for a blind old man. I did get 8 of the 10 hornady rounds in 1 3"x4" group @50 yards.

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delmarskid posted this 3 weeks ago

I have always used 284 Winchester for my Schmidt's. They work fine. Norma brass was the only thing around and I was way too underfunded for that stuff.

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Wheel Weights posted this 3 weeks ago

Last time I looked 284 brass cost more than Privi 7.5x55 brass.

I like having the right headstamp lest some idiot force a 7.5 made from a 284 in a 284.

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Wheel Weights posted this 2 weeks ago

So I took the fireformed cases and being anal, I decapped one, put in a new LR primer and fired it "pop".

Then another and sized it in the RCBS die, primed it and "click". No mark on the primer.

Then another and only sized 1/2 the neck, primed it and "pop".

Soooo even with the load I tried (30 gr TAC) the cases are still not fully fireformed. Sizing 1/2 the neck and not touching the body creates a false shoulder to hold the case against the bolt face. Hoping a 2nd firing will fully fireform the cases.

As the intended use is cast light loads, I may have to have NOE make me a takeoff on the old Hudson 32-40 bullet with a bore rider nose, three .312 band and three .315 bands.

Somewhere I have a Lee 160gr mold for the 7.62x54 that drops at .313. will give it a try also.

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Wheel Weights posted this 2 weeks ago

Back to the range today. Upped chg to 32 gr, still a pooper load.

10 loaded with 200 gr partitions, 10 with 220 gr Hornadys.

2 failures to fire on first strike, fired on second.

4 with difficult extraction, had to slam bolt handle with palm.

Contrary to what I saw on UTube, I almost think the cases do have to be trimmed as I think the neck is sticking in the leade.

No case trimmer here. Have to wait till I get back home.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 2 weeks ago

following ... heh, 

" the sweetness achieved is enhanced by the bitterness endured  "

ken

edit:  one of the uses for a chamber cast is to show if trimming is necessary.  casting or soft lead upset.

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Wheel Weights posted this 2 weeks ago

Well, just ordered a Lee adjustable case trimmer so I'll whack em back to 53 mm, easier than mucking with cerrosafe in a 90 degree garage..

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