Paco Kelly Accu'rzr

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beagle6 posted this 3 weeks ago

Does anyone have first hand knowledge of the Acu'rizer Tool for 22 rimfires?

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barra posted this 3 weeks ago

Tried one once.

found the 0.224’ side helped with one of my sporting chambers.

Obviously didn’t change cheaper ammo into benchrest grade stuff but did improve the consistency of the rifles ammo somewhat making it shoot rounder and tighter but with the normal flyers thrown in to about the same overall group size .

The different points did improve terminal effectiveness for whopping stuff thou.

still can’t beat the round nose if you need more penetration instead of expansion thou.

seemed to make the crimps tighter.

and Yes I found a small tap to be better than trying to form a solid wad cutter.

I unfortunately had to give it back before I could ring it out.

Was fun if you want to change the the bullet nose on your favourite ammo.

 

 

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JeffinNZ posted this 3 weeks ago

Made my own.  Mr Kelly never responded to my two requests.

Cheers from New Zealand

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 3 weeks ago

I've tried several times to buy his book on lever actions. Never responds, good luck!

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RicinYakima posted this 3 weeks ago

I have had one for about 20 years,  got it when I had a 1930's S&W .22 Outdoorsman with .228" throats in every chamber. Works best if it will make the bullet exactly what you need. PACO made this one two diameter, .228" and turn it around for .224". Does well with cheap soft bullets, or soft match bullets, no well on copper plated one. Still using it for a Stevens tip-up pistol and Stevens Marksman rifle.

Never used the hammer method, but put a dial indicator on the little Sinclair arbor press and can make them exactly the same length.

I don't know if he is still alive or maybe very ill. There has not been anything new published in at least five years, just others cutting and pasting his work on the net.

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Larry Gibson posted this 3 weeks ago

I've had one about 14 years.  Mine also is the 2 holer with sizing at .224 on one end and .225 on the other.  I also use an arbor press in lieu of the hammer.  I've had very good results with it and mostly use the .225 end.  As jeffinNZ mentions it works well with softer plain lead bullets.  It won't make a silk purse out of a sows ear but with many kinds of the cheaper stuff like CCI Blazer it does improve accuracy enough to make it's use worthwhile.  

I use it to open the HP up on factory bulk high speed copper plated HPs and to HP the solids and the increase in terminal effect on small ground squirrels has to be seen to believed. Doing so on Remington Yellow Jacket and CCI MiniMags makes the terminal effect hard to believe.    

I also use it to HP soft lead match bullets for suppressor use.  No improvement in accuracy but, again, the terminal performance it vastly improved.

I also have the Waltz die and use it.

Worth getting.  As to Paco, He is getting up there in age so I don't know if he still makes them or not.

LMG

  

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beagle6 posted this 2 weeks ago

Thanks everyone for sharing your experience with me. I am constantly amazed at the wealth of knowledge available on this forum.David, just for kicks I went to Amazon to look for Paco's book on leverguns. They had one copy (used) for $922. At that price they probably still have it.

Thanks all,

beagle6

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beagle6 posted this 2 weeks ago

Wow. I found a copy of Paco's levergun book for $199 or best offer.You'd think this thing was an original Gutenberg Bible or something. Still cheaper than Amazon. After studying Jeff's photos, I think I could make one too. Did you make your own reamer?

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I have searched and found those listings. Greed, greed, greed. I hope they die with it in their possession, then someone will sell it at an estate sale for $5. I will find one at a reasonable price, just have to be patient. Been looking for about 6-7 years, so no hurry. 

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JimmyDee posted this 2 weeks ago

did improve the consistency of the rifles ammo somewhat making it shoot rounder and tighter but with the normal flyers thrown in to about the same overall group size .

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The different points did improve terminal effectiveness for whopping stuff thou.

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Was fun if you want to change the the bullet nose on your favourite ammo.

I have one and have used it on standard velocity lead ammunition.  All what he said.  Plus...

It swages bullets to one of two diameters, depending on which end of the device you use.  Accuracy is improved if the swaged bullet is a better fit.  The cup nose absolutely spanks whatever it hits.

My autoloaders don't feed the re-formed bullets reliably; bolt guns and revolvers do fine.

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M3 Mitch posted this 2 weeks ago

I have a copy of Paco's book, bought back in the 80's when he was still writing for the Fouling Shot on a regular basis.  It's a pretty good book, but no way is it worth $199. 

IMHO if a guy, new to the sport, buys and reads CBA's 3-volume set, and digests all that information, that's about all the benefit you are going to get out of "book learnin'".  From there, cast some bullets, load some ammo, and head to the range. 

I never met Paco, but from some of his stories, I think he's getting up there in years now.  I hope he's OK, and just distracted by something.

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beagle6 posted this 2 weeks ago

Several of Paco's articles are on the Los Angeles Silhouette Club website.A lot of other good information there too.

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M3 Mitch posted this 2 weeks ago

did improve the consistency of the rifles ammo somewhat making it shoot rounder and tighter but with the normal flyers thrown in to about the same overall group size .

...

The different points did improve terminal effectiveness for whopping stuff thou.

...

Was fun if you want to change the the bullet nose on your favourite ammo.

I have one and have used it on standard velocity lead ammunition.  All what he said.  Plus...

It swages bullets to one of two diameters, depending on which end of the device you use.  Accuracy is improved if the swaged bullet is a better fit.  The cup nose absolutely spanks whatever it hits.

My autoloaders don't feed the re-formed bullets reliably; bolt guns and revolvers do fine.

As I understand it from a letter in the FS that Ed answered, for example CCI Standard Velocity ammo has a larger bullet diameter and gives better accuracy, particularly in revolvers, than typical copper-plated bullet, high-speed ammo.  This latter is "tuned" to function in auto-loaders, (smaller diameter, harder bullet) even if dirty, and you can't do that and be tuned for best accuracy at the same time. 

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Larry Gibson posted this 2 weeks ago

Regards Paco's 30-30 lever M94 loads with 130 gr bullets; Many years back I picked up a M94 Winchers rifle with 24" barrel chambered in 30-30.  I had read Paco's articles on how he used that model with Hornady 130 gr SP (made for single shot 30 cal pistols)  snipping off the point forming a FP and loading with H335 to unheard of 30-30 velocities and performance.  I did the same and carefully worked up to the load Paco recommended and it did a fine job, was accurate and did attain a similar velocity.  I then switched to the Speer 130 gr FP Hot Core bullet with the same load.

When I got the Oehler M43 PBL that was one of the first of my own handloads to pressure test.  Turns out it was only 2 thousand psi over the SAAMI MAP for the 30-30...... I continued using it in the M94 AE bur not in my old M94 carbine.  The velocity with the Speer 130 FP was 2758 fps at 44,000 psi.  It did indeed, just as Paco claim, make the M94 AE 30-30 a 300 yard rifle.

However, with the advent of LeveRevolution powder I no longer use Paco's load because the same can be done with LeveRevolution powder while staying under the SAAMI MAP.  Also the Speer Hot Core bullet is no longer available and I've found a load of LeveRevolution under a 150 gr Speer FP that runs 2550 fps at only 37,000 psi.  That loads external ballistics are just as good out to 400 yards so that's my perferred load now.

LMG

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M3 Mitch posted this 2 weeks ago

On that Accu'rizer, what safeguards are on it to prevent possibly firing the primer?  Seems to me, that could ruin your day, I would want to know that it won't happen.  Tapping or pressing on the bullet on a live rimfire round seems to me to present considerable risk. 

Or am I just being an "old maid"?

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RicinYakima posted this 2 weeks ago

For the primer to function the rim must be between two hard surfaces. The base is cut up about 1/4 inch so that the entire base of the case is on a flat surface and the front of the rim is in air. It may be possible to mash the case far enough to make the side walls fold down onto the front of the rim, but the case would crushed into the length of a 22 short. It is much safer than loading with a Lee-Loader.

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JimmyDee posted this 2 weeks ago

The instructions emphasize: "use the tool on a hard flat surface."

If your technique is to whack the rod with a hammer, you can sense when the bullet nose has been re-formed and the heel has been swaged to fill the cavity.  Sometimes a gentle whack on the rod is needed to get the swaged bullet out of the device.

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JeffinNZ posted this 2 weeks ago

I made the rim recess on my tool a lot deeper than the actual rim thickness.  I also use an arbor press to form.  I takes surprisingly little force even with a light hammer to change the bullet profile. 

Cheers from New Zealand

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RicinYakima posted this 2 weeks ago

Laughing, The first time I tried it I used a hammer with a light "tap". The bulleted swaged out so tightly to the die I had to pry the case out and the bullet stuck in the die. Maybe a firefighter's tap, who is used to swinging an ax and 10 pound sledge hammer, hit it a little too hard? Then I started using the arbor press.

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