questions for those who have regulated revolvers for cast bullets

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billwnr posted this 03 July 2020

My revolver is spitting either lead or powder back at me.  Not sure which.  I have sized the bullets for the cylinder throats, my barrel gap is set at .006 and I checked it again.  I'm also getting crappy groups with the .358429 bullet in my .357.  My thoughts are the bullet is too long for the barrel twist.  Either that or it's related to the gun spitting lead or powder fragments.

Anyone interested in PMing with me so I can get this revolver shooting?

I did shoot a control group of Hornady HBWC's and got reasonable accuracy.  What with the spitting and lack of accuracy with the .358429 bullet my thoughts were my Dan Wesson barrel was loose or there was an issue with the barrel gap.  Gap is tight at .006 and my shroud collet was tight, so the barrel was not loose.

I don't have enough hair to pull it out pondering the issue.

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RicinYakima posted this 03 July 2020

Spitting issues are almost always because the cylinder is not aligned with the barrel. Insure that the hand is carrying up the cylinder and the bolt is locking the cylinder. Usually the gun is worn out or just dirty. HTH

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billwnr posted this 03 July 2020

Ric,  the revolver's not worn out but it was dirty.  Cylinder was dragging for some reason.  I gave it a good cleaning and will give the cylinder front and back another good cleaning before the next outing.

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tony1960 posted this 03 July 2020

Bill, there are a couple of reasons why they spit, and when they do it can be bad.

As Ric mentioned, the cylinder may not be aligned with the barrel, a good gunsmith with a range rod will be able to help you there. The cylinder stop does wear and when the cylinder rotates and comes to rest may be just that tad ut of alignment that will cause it to spit.

Another is the forcing cone angle, unfortunately all except the top end target pistols come with a relatively sharp forcing cone angle, built for jacketed projectiles. What is best for lead is a slow tapering forcing cone, my Manhurin can almost fit the entire length of a 148HBWC before striking rifling.

Shooting HBWC's will also cause it to spit, lots of gas wanting that skirt to expand, no matter how small the B/C gap is, nature of the beast.

Your projectile certainly isn't too long, having shot 160HBWC's through several different revolvers from the standard Smith twist down to my current revolver with a 1-8 twist and all shot fine.

I'm not sure which part of your revolver was dirty but would imagine you are speaking of the cylinder face or the back of the barrel/forcing cone. They will drag if the B/C gap is too small or incredibly dirty, you have a DW, is the barrel square to the cylinder face? Never shot one sorry, but if you can swap barrels then is there an issue?

Doe sit spit with ligher/shorter projectiles, have you got access to a couple of 100gn for example.

And YES, there is a lot of powder and gas that comes out of that gap, maybe not necessarily lead. Try the paper test, fire the revolver with the B/C gap next to a piece of white paper, big shredded holes say lead, powdery holes say gas or powder. 

You never mentioned what powder you are using behind them, makes a small difference. Fast powder= lots of gas right now, slow powder=burns right down the barrel.

 

cheers

 

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billwnr posted this 03 July 2020

sent you a PM Tony.  It's the 358429 bullet that might be too long.  The Dan Wesson is listed as having a 1 in 18 twist rate.

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Wineman posted this 04 July 2020

The Mythbusters show laid a chicken thigh and leg over a S&W 500 X frame right at the cylinder barrel gap. First shot shredded the raw chicken. Don't put your fingers there for sure. I'm sure the MB's probably were not the end all but the show was entertaining and they had an audience. I ran into their ex FBI explosives expert Frank Doyle at a Civil War reenactment in Sacramento a few years ago. He had a muzzle loading cannon and looked to be having a great time.

Dave

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DBW posted this 06 July 2020

Bill, I had a 41 cal Dan Wesson that I really liked for about one month. I started having problems similar to yours and finally realized that the cylinder and the rod it rotates on were pretty close tolerance. Any lube that got thick from cold temps or fouling of any kind tended to make the cylinder drag causing the chamber to misalign with the bore sometimes so much that the firing pin would miss the primer. I know personally of three other Dan Wessons that had this occur. I carried this 41 for protection in Alaska above the arctic circle which tended to aggravate the situation so I got rid of it. Wish I had it with me in Arkansas now because when they are set up and kept clean they are a great revolver...........DBW 

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