shootin the bbl clean

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sergeant69 posted this 3 weeks ago

i read here or another site recently ( i got a 7 yr old and a 9 yr old grandkids here so limited time to search) the subject of using jacketed bullets to clean out the lead left in bbl shooting cast. seems like they said it was ok and worked? i have grown up "knowing" that all that does is pile copper on top of lead making the lead harder to get o and remove. yes/no?

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billwnr posted this 3 weeks ago

It's kinda like shooting with an obstruction in the barrel.  Potentially it could enlarge the barrel.

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Brodie posted this 3 weeks ago

Assuming that the barrel is leaded , all shooting jacketed afterwords, to clean the barrel, will do is spread the lead out, and put jacket metal on top of the lead.

As an experiment I did not clean the lead from my 45 acp Contender for about six years and I was shooting a couple hundered rounds every two weeks.  Accuracy did not deteriorate.

B.E.Brickey

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Qc Pistolero posted this 3 weeks ago

That's probably the last thing I'd do to my guns.The 45-70 I compete with gets cleaned once a year(48hours with Ben's red soaking the bore)and will take 12 to 15 shots to recondition the bore.After that,I do the whole season without cleaning(500 to 700 rds).The most I'll occasionnaly do is run 1 dry patch through the bore but that's not often;maybe twice during a whole shooting season.

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shootcast posted this 3 weeks ago

Sounds odd but jacket ammo will clean lead out. If you can safely load to high pressure loads. Shooting jackets at lead pressure never worked for me.

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sergeant69 posted this 3 weeks ago

That's probably the last thing I'd do to my guns.The 45-70 I compete with gets cleaned once a year(48hours with Ben's red soaking the bore)and will take 12 to 15 shots to recondition the bore.After that,I do the whole season without cleaning(500 to 700 rds).The most I'll occasionnaly do is run 1 dry patch through the bore but that's not often;maybe twice during a whole shooting season.

 

did u mean eds red?

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Brodie posted this 3 weeks ago

The reason the barrel leaded in one spot was the too hard and too small bullets I was forced to use (I was not able to cast at the time).  Those bullets leaded in one spot only, and no matter how many times I cleaned the lead out it always came back in the same place.  That barrel does not lead anymore because I feed it a softer and larger cast bullet that FITS the barrel.

B.E.Brickey

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Bill*B posted this 3 weeks ago

I have a pistol that leads a bit with plain based bullets.  Ending the session by firing a half dozen gas checked loads leaves it sparkling clean.

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Bud Hyett posted this 3 weeks ago

The first Charter Arms Bulldog I had leaded slightly as you mention. One night at the range, I ended the evening by firing two shotshell loads testing patterns at twelve feet with #11 shot. This was the extreme range for that load. I had loaded the Speer Shot Capsules and wanted to know their effectiveness. When I got home, no leading.

The next week, the same test with #9 shot. Twelve feet again seemed to be the extreme range of the load. When I got home, again no leading.

The third week, we shot two shots at the end of the evening and recovered the plastic shot capsules. There were long streaks of lead on the sides adhering to the capsule. After that, whenever I shot the Bulldog on the range, I finished with a shotshell, or two, to save time getting the lead out. 

Farm boy from Western Illinois, living in the Magical Pacific Northwest

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 3 weeks ago

i might mention that i once shot several thousand 22lr match bullets through my 40x barrel ... all dipped in the original JB compound.... the good stuff .

the main idea was to retain a consistent barrel condition ... which at the steep part of the accuracy mountain is one of the biggest ( and mysterious ) factors ...

no throat erosion according to my hawkeye borescope ... 

no conclusion other than it didn't hurt anything ... the barrel did remain real shiny .... 

i fantasized that the barrel condition was more consistent ... and took fewer shots to start the shots for score ...but as joeb mentions ... a few thousand samples still ain't enough to show a 3 per cent improvement ...  ... too much static from wind gusts and bio-rhythms ...

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and as far as cutting leading, these smooth match barrels don't lead anyway .. ( oh, the 22lr " little ring of lead " still appeared.  )

i wonder if someone with a factory barrel that leads a bit would benefit from dipping in JB ?

i did read that somebody shot some mj bullets in benchrest match conditions ... i suppose to achieve the same goals ... but didn't report the results.

ken, taking 2 steps backward, anxiously awaiting the 3 steps forward ...

 

 

 

 

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Qc Pistolero posted this 3 weeks ago

 

 

did u mean eds red?

Sorry for the mistake;yep that's what I meant.

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billwnr posted this 3 weeks ago

Ben's red is a lube as I remember it.

 

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358156hp posted this 2 weeks ago

Veral Smith has talked about shooting leaded bores with bullets using his LBT Blue Lube to clean the fouling out. I kind of took it as advertising hype, but I finally tried it on a bore that had moderate leading from my reckless abuse of plain base bullets at high velocity in a 44 mag Redhawk. The first couple of cylinders didn't seem to accomplish much, but the bore did start to clean up after a few more cylinders full. It was mostly clear when I started going recoil happy and had to stop shooting & go home. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself. When I got home I finished cleaning the bore with Eds Red and patches. I also learned a valuable lesson about bore conditioning that day.

I also bought a 686 many years back from a guy down on his luck. The bore was clean and shiny, but accuracy was abysmal. I slugged the bore and it came out around .350 IIRC, I also noticed the forcing cone was leaded. I plugged the bore and hooked up my Outers "Foul Out" (remember those?) with lead solvent and it clicked off after a half hour when lead sediment grounded out the rod. I ran that son of a gun through a half dozen cycles until I finally got it clean. After all that, the bore slugged out to .359. The cylinder throats were leaded as well.

Adventures in leading...

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