WANT TO BUY- SLIDING TANG SAFETY PARTS FOR O3 SPRINGFIELD

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mashburn posted this 23 April 2020

Hello to all.

I am in the market for the parts to make a sliding tang safety for an O3 Springfield. If anybody has such and wishes to part with it you can send me a PM email. If I can't find the parts, does anyone have a drawing of these items in order that I could build one. I've never seen a O3 that has been converted to such; I've only seen pictures. I've got a little 18" barreled 7x57 Manlicher (I know I misspelled that word) built on a O3 action that is almost finished, it has been test fired but it isn't too far along to make this addition.. This addition would be the finishing touch that it needs.

Thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Wheel Weights posted this 23 April 2020

That's a wild idea. The only thing you could build would be a trigger blocking safety, not a good idea.

Can't imagine what's wrong with the Buelher safety or an aftermkt trigger with a built in safe.

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RicinYakima posted this 23 April 2020

Harvey Anderson, inventor of Acu-Glas, of Yakima, WA, made a side safety. It was positioned rear to lock the sear and forward to unlock. It was a simple bar between the sear and bottom of the tang. Milled away the side of the tang for detents on the thumb lever. HTH

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mashburn posted this 23 April 2020

Wheel Weights,

I don't think they were a trigger blocking safety. If so, I wouldn't take the trouble of building one are installing a pre-manufactured one. The reason that I don't like the commercial triggers with the side thumb safeties is they are a trigger blocking safety also. The only way you can prevent a discharge is to have a safety that pushes the firing pin away from the sear.(Model 70 Winchester-03 Springfield-Mauser and etc.) I have a Bueller on it at the present. Browning A-bolts have a tang safety that blocks the firing pin but upon examination I'm too old to have the patience to do something like that anymore. It will probably keep the Bueller but if I can come up with the sliding tang safety it will have one. I'm trying to build a show peace and I just love to show out with something like this .O3's that I have seen pictured with this modification are beautiful. This one is going to be fancy but is going to be a walk about rifle or probably wind up belonging to my Granddaughter or Grandson.

Thanks for the interest,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 23 April 2020

Hello Ricin,

Didn't this safety mechanism go on the side. The ones that I've seen in pictures have an extension added to the back of the tang and the sliding safety is in the center of the grip up towards the back of the original tang. Somewhere, I've got a picture of what you are describing, but there is no telling what book it is in. That could be weeks work to find it and then, I might not even have it. If you run across any literature or pictures of the safety you mentioned, please let me know. What ever I come up with, if anything, will disengage the firing pin and sear. I re-read you post and I saw one like that last night, I didn't fully understand what you were saying the first time. I don't really care for that idea but at least it's a start. You can't imagine how good the safety that I'm referring to looks on a custom 03 action.

Thanks for you response and information.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 23 April 2020

... i see a  problem getting enough " leverage " on a fore-aft tang safety to lift the striker assy ... but how about a long side-swing lever as per the latch bolt on a double barrel shotgun ... 

maybe cam a beveled lock-bolt/plate up into your striker slot ...

Side Swing Safety Springfield.

Alliteration gone wild. ask your kid if that is overkill . ( g ) .

*************

just don't gold-plate the lever, ... like the NRA full-page ads for idiots ...

ken

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mashburn posted this 23 April 2020

Hello Ken,

Thanks for your response. Your're mentioning some things that have been running through my mind also ,believe it or not. The leverage issue is the biggest hurdle to clear that has entered my mind so far. I've even thought about the shotgun lever but that wouldn't be too comfortable upon firing, depending where it was located and it sure wouldn't be attractive.   A cam assembly could possibly be a workable solution. Also a swing safety would be the easiest to achieve but I'm going to keep antagonizing my worn out brain and probably settle for my Bueller, but not yet. I wish I could find a 03 so equipped or a working drawing of the system itself would solve the problem. I'm still slowly getting through the old American Rifleman Magazines that I inherited. Maybe I'll find something. I've got a good friend, he is the guy who manufactures the Fenris Wolfe single shot rifles in Red Oak, Oklahoma. When he starts to develop something new he gets construction board, scissors, thumb tacks and glue and starts what I call making paper dolls on top of the work bench. I laugh at him but he usually accomplishes what he has set out to do. So, maybe I'll have to start making paper dolls myself. With all of the projects that I'm trying to finish, I shouldn't even be thinking about such a project.

thanks again,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 23 April 2020

Ken, it does not lift the sear, it locks the sear so it can not fall. Springfields are like "mousers", lever with a spring on one end. Slide a piece of steel between the one end and tang, sear can not move. It works off the front of the sear, not the rear. So you end up with the first stage of the trigger locked and you never get to the second stage.  Ric

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Rich/WIS posted this 23 April 2020

Another possible option is a Win M70 style safety.  Brownells shows one in their catalog.  Requires work on the bolt shroud, but suspect if you can do the work for a tang safety you can probably do this work as well.

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RicinYakima posted this 23 April 2020

If someone wants to try the M70 style safety modification, I have a kit you can have for postage. Remember you have anneal the shroud, do the machining and then reharden. And hope it doesn't warp too much.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 23 April 2020

... ricin sez "  Remember you have anneal the shroud, do the machining and then reharden. And hope it doesn't warp too much.  "

..kenin sez " ...or groove the shroud and sink a hardened insert into that groove ... "

ken

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mashburn posted this 23 April 2020

Hello Ken and Ricin, 

To make what I'm thinking of, you do lift the striker, you lift it to the back against striker spring pressure, and away from the sear, which is the same thing that a standard O3-Mauser-Model 70 Winchester does. The look of the tang safety is what is fascinating me. I'm a chronic pain person who is up most of the night and this gives me something to mentally wool around in those creative late night hours. The old famous gunsmith, from yesteryear, Roy Dunlap, once said "I've built lots of rifles in my lifetime and it was fun, but now, in my old age, it's a lot more fun to talk about & write about building rifles." I'm about to that point of gunsmithing. I'm not going to give up, I may wind up with a safety that blocks the sear instead of separating it, but I'm going to come up with something.

Ricin, Is the kit that you have a universal kit or is it for a specific action? Thank you guys for your input.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 23 April 2020

Hello Rich/Wis,

 Thanks for your response and input.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 23 April 2020

It is for a 1903 Springfield only and ends up being a three position Mod 70.

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mashburn posted this 23 April 2020

Hello Ricin,

I definitely want the safety kit.

How much postage required, let me know and I'll send you some money. You will probably laugh but I have another project setting around here that I have never finished that can use that safety. It is a Jap action that I took the jap bolt and a O3 bolt and made one out of them. I did like you would normally do when you are shortening a action but I took the back part of the O3 bolt and mated it with the front half of the jap bolt to get rid of the jap safety. I made my incision back behind the back of the extractor. I have put O3 bolts in jap actions before but the snout of the jap is longer than the snout of the O3. what I mean is, the front of the bolt past the locking lugs is longer on the jap than the O3 bolt. No problem if you are rebarelling, but if someone is using  the existing jap barrel, it won't work. Send me a PM with the postage amount and your address and I will get it right out. If you happen to have a paypal  account I will send it right away. I'm heading back to the shop right now and won't be back in the house for awhile.

Thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 28 April 2020

Hello to all,

I dealt Ricin out of a swing safety kit for an O3 Springfield. I've decided to do the sensible thing and get this project finished. I don't need another project, that is near finished, laying around here while I scratch my head and work on designing and building a tang sliding safety for a O3. The swing safety will look nice and will be as safe as you can have. Eventually this rifle will go to some of my Grand Kids and I won't have to worry about a trigger blocking safety doing harm to them. Thanks Ricin and Ken, we shared some interesting and good ideas.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 28 April 2020

mashburn ::  ok, next project ...

help me, green mountain has a cheap 17 barrel that i am visualizing how much fun that could be for a cast bullet ... please tell me that you have given totally up on yours, and how dumb it would be for me to even think about it ...  

completely useless, right ? ... no primer small enough, right ? ..

help .

ken

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RicinYakima posted this 28 April 2020

David it is packed by I need you address to ship it to you!

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mashburn posted this 28 April 2020

Hello Ricin,

I had sent it to you a couple of days ago and again tonight. That is the trouble that I have with PM emails through the forum, they never show up. I'll just give it to you here on the forum so you'll be sure and get it. I don't really care if people see my address BECAUSE I HAVE BITING DOGS AND AUTOMATIC SHOTGUNS.   

David Cogburn

POB 425 

Talihina, Oklahoma 74571

Mashburn

 

 

 

 

thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 28 April 2020

Hello Ken,

No, I haven't given up on mine. With jacketed bullets it is one of the best shooting rifles I've ever owned. I had shelved the cast bullet project, for a while, but am at it again. I have a bunch of cast, powder coated bullets ready  to load. I have both PB and GC. I believe these will work. If nothing happens I will be shooting them this week. I had my doubts about cast lubed bullets. I'm not a pop gun fan. I like to shoot but I want to be able to hunt with my rifles. It is amazing how many prairie dogs have met their demise from this innocent looking rifle. Mine shoots 20gr. much better than it does 25gr bullets, but on prairie dogs, I lost a lot of killing distance by shooting the 20's so I shot 25's. You probably won't believe this, but with 20gr bullets at 100 yds. I shot some five shot .220" in" groups and those were measured from outside the widest part of the group, not center to center. My barrel is a Sako pull-off. Your not looking at a rimfire barrel are you. Now then you need to do some trading with me for a suitable action.

Thanks for the response,,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 29 April 2020

Hello Ken,

I started to get on the forum a few hours ago, and then the tornado siren went off, so I headed to the storm cellar. I got out of the storm cellar about an hour ago. That is one good thing about town spreading out towards the country, I have a tornado warning siren. I took a look at the .17 caliber barrel that Green Mountain has, that's a bargain. It's kind of short though.

I've got something that you might be interested in. Years ago, my brother-in-law conned me in to helping him build a .17 like mine. In other words, he wanted me to build him a rifle. It's still in my gunsafe,  waiting to be rescued and finished. it is built on a 591 Remington 5mm action like mine is and is in .17 Cal Mashburn. It is inletted in a varmint style stock(nice job of work). The stock still needs a lot of wood taken off the outside. It has been test fired. The barrel is A Shilen. I bought a unturned blank and turned it to the same size as the receiver with no taper. It hasn't been touched in years. I have several of his projects that I did the work on setting around here. He might possibly sell it to me but he would probably try con me into doing more work other that taking money. If your interested I'll approach him on the subject.

I also have more of the 591 Remington actions laying around here waiting on something to do and also the Falling block works single shot action. I like to trade, I just spend money when I get paid in cash.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 30 April 2020

Hello Ken,

If you are interested, I have three of the 591 Remington actions laying around her. You can only use the clip fed models the 592's had tube magazines and the magazine tube went deeply in the bottom of the receiver and wouldn't be safe. Years ago, when I started playing with these things, I bought up several complete rifles, stripped them down and only kept the receiver,  back half of the bolt and trigger assembly. I sold the rest of the parts on gunbroker and ebay. I have an article some where from Remington engineers attesting to their strength. The high pressure of the little 5mm cartridge  was was the demise of this rifle. If you have ever looked at the strange extractor, these rifles had, you will understand why it was the way it is. They said that if they made any kind of cut in the bolt or barrel for the extractor that the case head would rupture and that was the reason for the weird extractor .Someone will probably correct me on this but I can't remember if the cartridge had 50,000 chamber pressure or the action was proofed at 50,000. I think I know where that information is and I will try to dig it out. Remington destroyed all tooling for the 591 rifles. I got my information that got me started in .17 cal. rifles from one of your Iowa men, named Dick Saunders. I have his book entitled ".17 Caliber Shooting" and if you would like a copy I will have a copy made and mail it to you. It covers all of his .17 cal. rifles and loads for all of them. Quite informative. But I warn you, it is very addictive. I would work out some kind of trade with you on one of these actions if you are interested. I'm also set up to ream the inside of the receiver and thread it, which I would do if you desire. Also I would make  the front half of the bolt for you or send you a drawing of the way I make them. You might have better ideas than mine. I'm sure you have something that we could trade on. I also have a 591 action that has been barreled with a tapered octogon barrel in .22 caliber but unchambered.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 30 April 2020

Mashburn,

I have built a 32 H&R Magnum and a 45 ACP on the 580 series 22 LR tube mags and never had a problem. But they are both single shots and have solid bottoms now.

Ric 

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 30 April 2020

mr. mashburn ... what do you think about using a 38 special case for a caster 17 ?   lots of brass and use a small pistol primer already.   rim and shoulder ... belt and suspenders.   and maybe in a big action .  hey, i got a rebel 96 action ...  

and yes, i would like a copy of your book on 17 cartridges and loads.

ken

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mashburn posted this 30 April 2020

Hello Ricin,

I'm guessing you probably pinned the barrels in. If you thread the receiver ring you get really close to the magazine tube recess. Which 580 did you use? If I remember right, the early 580's had a narrow ejection port on the side and the later 580's, those with a letter after the model 580 stamping, had a wide ejection open all the way across the top and shouldn't be near as strong as the others. If you are familiar with the 5mm mag they had a longer receiver and a narrow ejecting slot on the side. Comparing the 45 or 32 mag with my .17 is a little one sided. I have the same powder capacity as the .17 Mach IV and a .171 bore should have a lot more pressure than a .311 or .45. I've never loaded it to it's max. I found a very accurate load at about 3,600 feet and stopped there. In warm weather, 1/10 grain of 4198 equal about 100 fps increase in velocity. This rifle has been fired thousands of times and never showed any pressure signs .By the way, Mine is a single shot also. The cartridge is too long to make a clip fed one.

I'm glad to hear others are using these little rifles. I have one laying around the shop that is barreled with a tapered octogen barrel of my machining in .22 caliber that I have never decided what cartridge I want to chamber it to. It will probably be in a K-Hornet if I ever get around to finishing it Thanks for the response, I enjlyed reading it.

Mashburn.

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 30 April 2020

Hello Ken,

When my brother-in-law gets released from working at home and returns to his office, I will make you a copy of the book, He should be back pretty soon.. You will enjoy it. You will get an idea of different cases that he made into .17 cal. rifles. He made two different ones out of .357 mags  that weren't too successful. The .32 long made a real good .17. It's easy to get too much powder capacity with a .17 bore. Of the factory rifles, the .17 Mach IV is my favorite but I'll settle for my little creation. Nothing wrong with using a big action. Did you mean rebel or Lebel. I was just reading about the Lebel action in one of my books a few hours ago. 

Catch you later,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 30 April 2020

Mashburn,

They are both the early ones with the narrow port. Yes, I pin the barrels but also use the Loctite adhesive that is made for putting shotgun barrels into monoblocs. The H&R has several hundred rounds of 150 grain bullets loaded to subsonic, and fun to shoot. Less than a hundred rounds thru the .45 ACP because it is much louder even with soft-ball loads.

Ric

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BudHyett posted this 30 April 2020

After I moved to California, an infrequent shooter at Windhill showed up one day with a Remington 580 action converted to a .17 on the .30 Carbine case. The action and cartridge worked well, it was devastating on starlings. I thought the cartridge was good for small varmints up to fox and coyote, however I was weary of the action.

Farm boy from Western Illinois, living in the Magical Pacific Northwest

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RicinYakima posted this 30 April 2020

Bud, The only documented problem I have seen is from not lapping the nine locking lugs into the action. When 22LR's, just one will hold the head space. With the greater recoil impulse, they need to be lapped so all nine are in full contact. Ric

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mashburn posted this 01 May 2020

Hello Ricin,

I also lap the locking lugs. I can't remember but I think the 5MM actions are longer that the .22 actions. I dug out some of the information, that I told you about, pertaining to the strength of the 5MM actions but I haven't found the Remington material as of yet, but it is here some place. The SAAMI specs. for the 5 MM cartridge are-37,000 psi with a maximum product average of 42,000psi and a maximum proof pressure of 62,000psi).There all kinds of gun magazine jargo about why Remington quit manufacture after only 4 years, but according to Remington, the reason for dropping was pressure and a possibility of a case head rupturing even with the odd ball extractor. They were never able to develop an extractor, with any kind of cut in the bolt face or the barrel, with out having case head ruptures. They said it was dropped due to safety issues(a possibility of a lawsuit) They also said tooling was destroyed. The info also included action material and I think, I'm not completely sure, the heat treatment of such parts. I'm going to keep digging until I find this info, it's here someplace. 

Thank you for the information we've shared,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 01 May 2020

Somewhere I have the direction from Calhoon, in Harve, MT, about their conversions. Since mine are centerfire, I use an 1891 Argentine Mauser extractor in the new bolt head. Since mine are low psi, I only calculated total bolt thrust to see if it was safe.

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mashburn posted this 01 May 2020

I've fired my little high pressure .17 enough that I have faith that they are safe. When Dick Saunders, from Iowa, started this with the little actions, he first said that he didn't know if they would back up a cartridge head as big as a 32-20 or not but after a couple of years he said they would take it with no problem. I make all of my extractors and have experimented with two different types and they both work very well. Of course, there is a limit to all things. There is one thing that I will not do without, and that is I will only use the small Remington bench rest primer in this cartridge. I imagine the peak primer pressure is quite high.

Mashburn

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 01 May 2020

Hello Bud,

I agree with you. That is one conversion, that I think that, I would want to back away from the firing line when that one was being fired. A person has to use a little common sense.

Thanks for your response,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 01 May 2020

Hello Ken,

I got your .17 caliber shooting book copied today. It's in a big manila envelope and ready to ship. I think, I have your address, but not for sure. You might want to PM me with your mailing address, just to be sure. I'll ship it Monday. You are going to enjoy.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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DB404 posted this 4 weeks ago

It looks like you’re dialed in on the Winchester side swing safety. Have one of that style on my .404 Mauser 98, and can say I don’t really care for it as unless one has thumbs about as long as a full grown gorilla’s is, it slows down the act of establishing a firing grip on the rifle when in a hurry. Originally I had been going with a sliding tang safety but then during the building of the rifle I got to thinking that a slider might weaken the wrist of the stock so changed my mind. My bad. The sliding tang safety when done right locks the bolt down, which is desirable in a hunting rifle and is mandatory in a rifle to be used on things that might argue about their being followed in the bushes. They are Very fast in use and the only thing I’ve found in that same ballpark are Browning designed lever guns (Win 92 & 86 are the ones I have) fully loaded and with the hammer pulled back to the first position so it doesn’t rest on the firing pin. For a tang safety on the Model 98, Sako made an after market trigger (which can occasionally be found on the auction sites) with a thumb tab which stuck up on the right side of the tang. Custom gunsmiths will add a tang extension to the wrist of the stock and run a connecting piece from the trigger to the new thumb piece on the tang, hidden under the tang extension. Whether or not a trigger made for a Mauser 98 can be modified to fit an ‘03, I have no idea. IIRC, in Dunlop’s book on gunsmithing, he has a picture of an ‘03 trigger fitted on a ‘98 Mauser in order to move the trigger further to the rear within the trigger guard.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 4 weeks ago

.... i had that Sako trigger with side safety 98 Mauser on my commercial FN Mauser coyote rifle.  trigger was great, ( set and forget for 30 years ) ...   safety i felt about as reliable as the 1960 Rem. 721 side safety .... never sure it was securely on and was always riding the thumb button to see if it was still on safety ....  kinda like carrying an 870 shotgun ...

no problem for coyote hunting, i just never chambered until just before the shot.  i could chamber a round just as fast as trying to figure out a swing safety.  note that although coyotes occasionally tried to eat my trail hounds, none ever set the bar the same height as my throat  ... although out at 2 am sitting in a snow bank with a squeaker call i have had a few moments of reflexion ...

maybe one could increase the detent on a side thumb safety, maybe get an action like a good pistol rotary safety ... can you put a Beretta 92 safety on a Mauser 98 ? ...

just ramblin  ... ken

 

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mashburn posted this 4 weeks ago

Hello Ken,

First of all-did you get the .17 caliber shooting book, that I sent you. I sent you a PM email and haven't heard back from you. Of course, when I send Pm emails to forum members, half of them never arrive. I mailed the book first class with a tracking number. Let me know if it has arrived. I don't know anything about the Saco trigger you mentioned. Never had any dealing with one. When you mention trailing hounds you bring back a lot of good memories. I kept a pen full of fox hounds for years. I still have some of the races recorded on tapes around here somewhere. I wish it was possible to bring back those days.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 4 weeks ago

Hello DB404

I understand your problem with the swing safety on a 98. O3's don't have quite as bad a problem, the trigger is farther back and the bolt shroud is longer. I have looked on the computer auctions for years for the type of safety that I referred to in the article and with no success. The sliding tang safety kits were still being manufactured up in the mid 70's but I can find any information since. I have a very early Browning A-Bolt rifle that has a very good sliding tang safety and that was the only thing that I liked about early Ruger Model 77 rifles. I have close to 30 custom rifles setting around here waiting to be finished and I'm 76 years old. I want to finish them while I'm still on top of the earth. I fired this particular rifle about 15 years ago and then I set it back to wait for the safety mechanism that I've been looking for. By using the swing safety, I can finish it and move on to something else. It will be located close to what the Model 70 Winchesters are. As far as moving triggers back and using different brand triggers in different rifles, all is possible. I have the tooling and knowledge to build about anything, but the patience is growing thin. You mentioned Roy Dunlop ,there was a true gunsmith & craftsman. If todays gunsmiths had a little of his knowledge it would be a great asset. Today all that people want is black plastic. And you hear people talk about building a AR, when all they did was stick some parts out of a box together. I'm glad to hear from someone who apparently has some knowledge of custom rifles.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 4 weeks ago

Ricin,

Did you get my last PM email? I asked about the price.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 4 weeks ago

No, I have not received any emails or PM's. RCBowman at charter dot net.

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mashburn posted this 4 weeks ago

Hello Ricin,

I sent you a PM stating that I had received the safety kit. If you will tell me what you've got in it I will send you payment plus postage. I've rounded up a slitting saw and when things calm down around here, I'm going to install the safety. I'm going to anneal the complete shroud and then heat treat again. I have a heat treating furnace. I'm going to quit trying to sending PPM's because most of them never go out evidently.

Thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 4 weeks ago

I'm not receiving an PM's or emails from  you. Put a $20 bill in an envelope and send it to me and I will be happy. Thanks Ric

RCBowman

3703 Parkway Place

Yakima, WA  98902

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mashburn posted this 3 weeks ago

Hello Ricin,

I thought I answered this last night but I see that I didn't. That is a great deal for me. You don't have any idea of how much I appreciate this. If nothing happens tomorrow I will get your request in the mail, if not I will do so Monday. Now you have two replies, I answered the one under the blog article that I commented on.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 3 weeks ago

I'm glad someone can use it!

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mashburn posted this 3 weeks ago

Hello RC,

It stormed and rained all day Friday, so I didn't make it into town to the post office. I mailed your stipend today(Monday).

Thanks again, 

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 3 weeks ago

Hello Ken,

I sent you a PM with this information, that I doubt that you received, so I will send it this way. 

1. Saunders claimed he got better accuracy with Remington bullets

   A. we found that v-max and ballistic tip bullets shot much better, but the Remington's(25 grain HP's)

 were much cheaper and shot almost as well. ( At the time we were buying Remington .17 bullets for about 68.00 per thousand)

Shortly after 2000 Remington quit making their own .17 bullets(they said their swaging machine wore out)  Remington then started buying their bullets from Hornady and quit selling .17 bullets as components, they are not a, v-max Hornady or ballistic tip bullet. So we quit Remington.

2. Sanders  said he had no luck with 4198 powder. This is the most accurate .17 powder that Me and my brother-in-law ever used.

  He said his .17 built on a Martini action in .17 Bee started showing pressure signs early. My 5MM Remington action must be stronger than I thought, with heavier loads in my improved Mashburn Bee I have not had pressure problems.(In other words it hasn't blown up yet)

In the years he started experimenting with these little boogers,  barrels were still mostly cut-rifled barrels and fouling was a problem. The rifle that he described that had the Myrtle Wood stock and sold, I talked to the man who bought that rifle for his wife and said that two or three shots and it was fouled.

He was one of the founders of .17 wildcats and shared a lot of information with me that greatly speed up my .17 caliber knowledge process .I have a lot more that I would like to share with you but I'm very tired of typing.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 2 weeks ago

mr. mashburn ... no, i haven't received a pm or email with the your 17 information ...  i do think we are at war with computers ...

and the computers are winning ...

thanks for the comments and help on the 17 project.  i am making some progress ( got barrel ordered.. 9 twist )  but have some other concurrent projects that i am working on.

i suppose we need to start further 17 conversations under a " 17 project " thread ... just in case we could get anyone else interested in such ...

i am not worried about mj bullets, as i will likely only shoot lead bullets in it.  so i am thinking a 15 grain capacity would be fine ... somewhere in the 25-20 or 38 special brass range.

i do have about mj 3000 17 cal bullets but they are extra long, and i doubt that 9 inch twist would work.

thanks again and i will report back when i get further along with the lead 17 project.

ken

 

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