WHY DO WE SHOOT CAST LEAD BULLETS? - Posed as a question by a Jeff Brown blog article.

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David Reiss posted this 02 April 2019

For me, it all started as a need to be able to practice more. At Stephen F. Austin State University, I helped to organize a shooting team to compete in a law enforcement professional fraternity. Although recognized by the school as a fraternity, they didn't recognize or support the shooting team. Being all poor students with no financial sponsors, we learned to cast .38 special wad cutters by the thousands using two bottom pour pots and 4 Lee molds. There were 4 of us who would get together and have casting parties, while other students were partying of a different kind.

After college I continued to cast on my own, participating in local law enforcement matches. It continued to evolve into casting for rifle cartridges and the rest is history as they say. With dies to load more than 100 different cartridges, I have now over 300 molds to accommodate them. There is just not one gun / cartridge that I don't cast for. I would not have it any other way. Casting is a way of life. 

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99 Strajght posted this 02 April 2019

Back in 1959 I was 12 years old. My uncle gave me an 03 Springfield rifle with a hand full of cartridges. I shot those up in about 3 minutes and went looking for more. The next trip to town I found a box of 30-06 but the store wanted $3.37. To much for what I could afford at the time. I was only able to make $1.00 an hour cutting grass or peeling pulp. A farmer friend down the road said he would show me how to load my own. We cast about 100 bullets in a Lyman single mold. Then sized, primed and charged all 16 cases that I had.  I went a shot those up in another 3 minutes and I needed more. I don't remember how many times I went back to reload those 16 cases but it was a lot. He did not seam to mind and after a while I started to buy my own reloading supplies. I was hooked. I shoot cast in every rifle, pistol and shotgun I own. Most guns have never seen a jacketed bullet. I am 71 years old and shoot every day at the range. I am the Range Safety Officer at out range. I guess you could say I have had a life long hobby. 

Glenn

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Dale53 posted this 02 April 2019

I went to work for my father in 1949. He was a high end tool maker (jig and fixture man at Wright Aeronautical near Cincinnati, Ohio during WW II). After the war he started his own business (a Hardware strore but mainly an appliance repair business). I was fourteen and was making the great wage of $20.00 per week. Dad became interested in NRA Bullseye shooting. The saga started. He gifted me Elmer Keith's 1936 "Sixgun Cartridges and Loads". He encouraged me to start casting bullets at the shop for us to shoot. We started with a Colt 1917 revolver that had a custom ribbed barrel. I was casting from a Lyman single cavity mould for the 452374 bullet in a Lyman cast iron pot on the gas range. If I cast fifty bullets at one session, I felt like I had really done something. This went on through my father's acquisition of a Smith .357 and a 1950 Target .45 ACP/Auto Rim, then a 1955 Target.

About this time I was of drving age and met a older guy (married with a child) at a nearby gun club. He invited me out to his small place in the country and showed me how to cast in quantity. He and his brother shared a Lyman 11 lb. electric bottom pour pot and several Lyman four cavity molds. He flat out "ruined me". We had an FFL and were selling guns and ammunition from a corner of the hardware store. I ordered out a new Lyman bottom pour and the saga started!

I became a competition shooter at age 19 that lasted about all of my adult life. NRA Bullseye, smallbore, bigbore, PPC, and IPSC. I even became a "commercial caster" for a number of years. It is safe to say, that the "leaden stream" has been a BiG part of my life. I am now nearing 84 years of age and am still shooting, casting and reloading. It has been a GOOD ride folks and itsn't over yet!

FWIW

Dale53

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cfp4570 posted this 02 April 2019

For me, it started as a way to save money so I could shoot more. I started out casting for .38 special with a 2 cavity Lee 150 swc, and found that I liked casting so much that I soon quit using jacketed bullets altogether. Now I have a 15 year old son and a 15 year old step son, and my wife shoots. Thank god I'm casting because those 2 boys can make a LOT of empty brass in a day! My wife enjoys running the moulds as much as I do, and casting has allowed me to experiment and do things that I would never have thought about with jacketed bullets; like 5 grains of bullseye in .30-06 with 90 grain 32 swc's. I now own just shy of 50 moulds, and there's no end in sight!

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Ross Smith posted this 02 April 2019

If you have the money, accuracy with jacketed bullets is a "cut and paste" affair. Not so with cast, this is a real challenge.

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RicinYakima posted this 02 April 2019

Making cast bullets has become a major part of my shooting hobby. Forty years ago shooting NRA Bullseye pistol, it was necessary because of the cost savings. But being forced into retirement at age 49 and only working part time after that, I had lots of time to cast and do experimental reloading projects. And that lead to writing articles about casting and shooting lead bullets. So researching what others are doing and have done, testing different parts of cast bullet shooting is a major part of my life now.

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Tom Acheson posted this 02 April 2019

Ross,

I'm guessing you meant cast not jacketed is a real challenge. That's what got me going, having fun making my own bullets, experimenting to see what I could do to improve the accuracy of my loads and saving money. Three kids, a house, cars etc. didn't keave a lot to burn on store bought bullets!

The challenge is fraught with a ton of variables, making this (at least for some of us) a life long quest. Make something with your own hands that performs well.

Tom

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frnkeore posted this 02 April 2019

I'm a late starter to casting. I started reloading in 1968, when I fell in love with the 6mm Rem and 3000 fps. But, I started RB muzzle loading in 1982 and then single shots, in 1985 and that's when the stars and moon, aligned!!!

I've dabbled with competitive GC shooting but, my love is PB matches and the challenge that comes with it.

Frank

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Bud Hyett posted this 02 April 2019

In 1983, I had a severe concussion. I had to learn to walk again. As strange as it sounds, I woke up one morning and had forgotten how to walk. This lead to an aversion to recoil. I had just bought a Marlin 1895 in .45-70 which shooting gave me headaches.

At the same time, Ed Doonan was shooting cast bullets in his 40X and pointed to the lessened recoil. Two Lee .45 rifle molds and one-half the powder charge, the Marlin and I were now again friends.  Next a RCBS 30-180-SP for my .30-'06 and shooting cast bullets became an avocation.

Eventually, the effects of the concussion went away, but the challenge of accurate cast bullets remained. The camaraderie of the shooters, the travel across the Northwest, the fellowship of the Nationals are all part of the allure.

In addition; Warren Page wrote of benchrest shooting, "It takes so much effort and concentration, that for a few hours out of the week; I forget who all I owe money to and when the next payment is due." 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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M3 Mitch posted this 02 April 2019

I got started, mentally,  reading Lyman ads in gun magazines as a kid.  When I first started to shoot centerfires, living in Texas, I made friends with a guy who cast, he sort of "turned me on to" cast bullets as a practical thing, my first loads were made up in a Lyman 310 tool in 22-250.  I was shooting 225415 flat nose bullets he cast, then he loaned me the mold, taught me to cast those little .22 bullets.  Thank You, Louis LaFerney, wherever you are!

 

The idea of nearly free bullets, and reduced barrel wear, appealed to me.  Still do.  Beyond that, I like the satisfaction of the "I made it myself" factor.  Some of my favorite rounds, like the 30 Luger, are a lot more practical to cast bullets for as opposed to trying to find store bought bullets.  The more I get into guns and shooting, the more I prefer old traditional calibers, like the 32-20, 25-20, etc. and these are best with cast.  The fact that Elmer Keith, Phil Sharpe, etc. were casters also encouraged and encouraged me to get into this.  The reduced power loads allow me to shoot for example my 1948 MY Model 70 30-06 a lot more than I ever would with full-power loads. 

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Ed Harris posted this 02 April 2019

The first rifle I learned to shoot was a .36 cal. patched, round ball, percussion muzzleloader bought mail order.  My brother Rick and I cast balls for it over a Coleman stove in the barn, using the mold which came with his Navy Arms copy of an 1851 Navy.  Later my brother and neighbor kid Harry DeButts found an original 1860 Army Colt in an old barn which had been marked for demolition for the construction of I66.  The Colt was still loaded and went BANG~! all siz times!  Harry's Dad then showed us how to take the Colt apart, clean, oil and reassemble it.  From then on we boys were well armed and became serious game poachers!  

When I turned 12 I learned to cast Minie' balls and shoot an original W.J. Jeffery 2-band .577 volunteer rifle which belonged to our Home Room teacher Mr. Humphrey.  "Hump" was a WW2 vet and former Marine Corps GySgt.  Took my first deer with it.

Never had a cartridge gun until high school when we shot .22s in ROTC at the indoor range at Ft. Belvoir.

Graduated to an 03A3 Springfield my "rat" year at Virginia Tech and bought an M1 Garand at Camp Perry in 1966. Frank Marshall showed me how to make cast loads which would function the Garand, and those experiences became the first article I ever sold to the NRA.  

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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loophole posted this 02 April 2019

I met Ron Kiser in 1976 or thereabouts when I was developing an interest in guns.  I believe he was a early member of CBA and  a collector of Sharps and Winchesters, a black powder shooter, and a highly ranked sheutzen competitor.  He helped me learn to cast round balls for a muzzle loader I built and later when I bought a Ruger #3 in 45-70 he helped me cast bullets for it.  I had gotten interested in original 45-70 loads and I found that they require lead bullets.  Ron also got me started shooting lead in my .357 Ruger pistol.  Ron was the most knowegible shooter I ever met and a great friend.  I suppose I became a cast bullet shooter not so much to save money, as because I learned to love the type of firearms which originally used cast bullets, and I was lucky to have such a great friend to teach me.

Steve k  

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Ross Smith posted this 03 April 2019

Thanks Tom,I corrected my post.

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BigMan54 posted this 03 April 2019

I grew up thinking that only Poor people bought factory ammo. My Entire Family cast & reloaded ammo. Factory ammo was some thing you purchased just to get the cases. My DAD shot NRA Pistol, so 45auto, 38special practice cases were kept in big wooden crates .30 Carbine & .30-06 too. I was pulling on a press handle at 2-3yrs, priming cases with a Tong tool by 4yrs and casting RB over a Coleman Camp stove at 8yrs. My MOM was less then pleased about that. 

My Family bought, sold &  traded guns monthly. Dies & most molds were hoarded. 

By the time I was out of the U. S. NAVY(1975), things had changed. So I started my own set up. My DAD gave me a few single cavity molds & a couple old sets of dies to help me get started. I was stationed on the East Coast for a bit, so I drove up to LYMAN and bought all I could afford.

I shoot cast bullets simply because I don't know any better. And it feels good to hold/shoot a round of ammo you created with your own hands. 

The only things I've learned that my DAD didn't teach me about casting and reloading,

I've learned from you Guys here.

 

I really hate this blasted auto-correct tablet thing.

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.

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gunarea posted this 03 April 2019

My first competitive shooting match was NRA Bullseye in 1964. For me, no manufactured projectile ever matched what I was taught how to produce on a repetitive consistent basis. I win tournaments. Ammo cost and supply never figured into the equation. The correct pronunciation of my handle says it all.  Gunarea, not Gun Area, gunorrherea. (A serious social shooting affliction).

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Shoot often, Shoot well

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Dukem posted this 03 April 2019

When I was a kid, my uncle Bub came to live with us for awhile. Bub, (Elmer), had been dragged away from behind a horse drawn plow and sent into the Battle of the Bulge in a glider. Some how he managed to become a gun crank despite that awful experience. He and my Dad and their little brother grew up on a small dairy farm and hunted small game as there were no deer in the area. In 1941 they saw a deer track in an oats field and it was the talk of the local folks. So deer rifles were just not needed. A twenny two and a shotgun was all that was necessary, and handguns scared the bejeebers out of the women.

Somehow uncle Bub got some military surplus Mausers and an Enfield and maybe a Springfield. The Mausers got sporterized and were exotic creatures to my young eyes. My Dad got the cartridge collector bug, but Bub started reloading, and then casting bullets. He used a Coleman stove, a cast iron pot, and a dipper to fill his single cavity moulds. He did this outside our old farm house and cautioned me to only try this on sunny days without a chance of rain. His most exotic attempt was to drop a air rifle BB in the nose of a spitzer 30 caliber mould. I was fascinated.

A few years later, Bub had a friend I always thought was just a bit odd. Hank was his name, and he a full military Model 1891 Argentine rifle. He was a hand loader and a bullet caster, and to my young and naive eyes, an expert. He told stories about loading lead bullets so fast in that Argie that when he shot a red tailed hawk off a pole over his chicken coop, he blew it to bits. That same load he claimed was so hot, that if he fired 10 shots, liquid lead would run out of the barrel when he tipped it muzzle down. As I said, I was young and ate up that BS with rapped attention.

Time passes and the moment I turned 21, a Ruger Super Black Hawk was bought. Oof dah, that thing was loud and kicked! An acquaintance told me to hand load for it with cast bullets. I was dumb lucky smart because I read Dean Grinnell's "The ABCs of Reloading" before I bought any reloading stuff. The only mould in .44 available at the local sporting goods store was a Lyman .421215. I bought that single cavity mould, a box of Lyman gaschecks, and sticks of that black Lyman lube, and a grey Lyman 450 Lubrisizer. 

The next phase was getting hired on a fair sized municipal police department and being issued a rebuild Combat Masterpiece. The department maintained a bullet casting and reloading room. I wanted to do that but only guys with enough seniority got that job as it paid over time to cast with the H&G 10 cavity gang moulds and load on a big Star progressive. I could have all the .38 spl. wad cutter ammo I wanted to shoot, and that Smith was loose as a goose in a couple of years.

Today, I find myself nearly overwhelmed with the number of moulds, dies, sizers, lubes, calibers, brass and other detritus of this hobby/passion. Milsurp, black powder cartridge rifle, schuetzen, classic lever guns, other single shots, revolvers, pistols, all fed with cast. I scrounged every ounce of lead I could find. Taking to heart Dean Grinnell's admonition that he would make a bullet out of it if it were vaguely plumbous, I never foresaw a day when wheel weights and linotype were going to become scarce. So the thousands of pounds of lead in various permutations are a great comfort.

Now aren't you sorry you asked?

Duke

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mashburn posted this 05 April 2019

Hello to all,

You guys have no way of imagining how much I enjoyed reading your posts about why you shoot cast. It brought back so many fond memories to me about of a lot of people that I knew when I was a little kid growing up. Most of these people were influential on me as to my love for firearms-reloading-shooting-hunting and etc..A lot of people that you described seemed to be ringers for the people that I grew up around. There was a lot of people responsible for me wanting to shoot cast. But get this: the first person to show me how to cast a bullet was one of my college professors. He gave the casting demonstration in his classroom. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD GO OVER ON TODAYS COLLEGE CAMPUSES. I was a student aid for him and did maintainance work on his apartment buildings. HE SOLD FIREARMS-AMMO-RELOADING COMPONENTS IN HIS LIVING ROOM AND ALSO Did  FIREARM REPAIR SOMETIMES HE WOULD HAVE TO GO USE THE COLLEGE MACHINE TOOL LAB FOR EQUIPMENT HE DIDN'T HAVE.. The first reloading components I ever purchased was from him. The Powder was in a plastic bag that was inside a brown paper bag that was folded over a couple of times and stapled. What a nice fellow. Of course you know that when I took one of his classes I was going to get an A. Again thanks for bringing back to me so many fond memories of people and places.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Shopdog posted this 05 April 2019

40 sumthin years ago.....

429421,an RCBS pot and ladle,and a Coleman stove. Cookie cutter lubed. There wasn't anything jacketed that could even come close to the accuracy,shooting in a cpl #29's. Just kept getting deeper and deeper.....

Pythons,a cpl 1911's,wasn't any turning back.

Then a backhoe showed up,cause this "hole" wasn't being dug fast enough when the cast rifles came into focus.

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beagle6 posted this 05 April 2019

I started casting in 1966 for a 45 caliber muzzle loader that my father gave me for a graduation present. the only thing I ever did with it was to hunt woodchucks and believe me a soft lead round ball is destructive. Vietnam was on my horizon and then a wife and children so I didn't get back to casting anything until 1974, for a 30/30 and 38 SPL. 

Today I cast for about 15 different calibers. There are a lot of casters on this website who are concerned with putting all the bullets through the same hole and I admire their dedication and precision. I cast for fun and am perfectly content to hit gong targets hung at various ranges across my property. I live in upstate New York and am lucky enough to have a range in my backyard, but I also have some neighbors, so shooting reduced lead loads is just neighborly.

I really love this forum and the CBA, so thanks to all for your comments and sharing of information.

beagle6

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Eutectic posted this 05 April 2019

A high school buddy came up with an offer. The local gun shop had 71/84 11mm Mausers for 25$ and they were unissued! My dad had the casting equipment for making fishing sinkers. We would split the cost of a mold and be shooting big bore for 30$ each. Then my brother-in-law bought an 8mm Mauser and offered to buy a bullet mold.

Our local scoutmaster was a bullet caster and reloader and set us down the right road.

Later I fell into shooting rifle and pistol matches, and bullet casting was the only way I could afford to shoot.

Steve

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JeffinNZ posted this 05 April 2019

I am really enjoying this thread.

Cheers from New Zealand

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Larry Gibson posted this 05 April 2019

I first posted this some years back on another forum.  It's how I got started shooting cast bullets.

 

The Old Gentleman

 

 

 

 

Years ago I got a M94 30-30 for my 14th birthday. A year later my grandmother gave me $20 for my 15th birthday. The next day found me in Fosters Sporting Goods in Dallas, Oregon trying to figure out how many 30-30s in combination with 22 LR HPs I could get. There was an old gentleman observing my one person conversation and he decided to butt in. He convinced me to get a Lee Loader, an 8 oz can of Unique, 500 CCI 200 primers, a small plastic head mallet and a tapered punch. I even had enough money left over for a couple boxes of 22s.

Out parked in front on the main street kitty-cornered across from the
County Courthouse was his PU, a 52 or 53 Ford. He lowered the tailgate and retrieved a large coffee can full of cast bullets. Right there the old gentleman proceeded to teach this young teenager how to reload. He had a box of 30-30 brass that he said had been full length resized and would work in my rifle but cautioned me to use brass that I had fired in my rifle only in the future. I had 3 boxes of brass at home that were from the only three boxes of ammo I'd been able to get for the rifle so my head was swirling at the possibilities. He showed me how to use the Lee loader (made me read the directions), how to clean the necks with #0000 steel wool, how to clean the primer pockets with a nail driven into the end of round wooden clothes pin, then flattened and filed to shape and how to seat primers without setting them off. I set off the first one and it scared the bee-Jesus out of me and I can still hear him laughing.

(Try doing some reloading off the tailgate of a PU parked on
Main Street across from a courthouse these days and see where it gets you!)

He showed me how to flare the case mouth slightly with the tapered punch so the bullets wouldn't be damaged seating them. He gave me a small scoop made from a German steel 9mm case soldered to a bent nail stuck in another round clothes pin. He cautioned me to only use one "small" scoop of Unique. Said it wouldn't blow the rifle up if I used two but would streak lead down the bore and I wouldn't hit anything anyway. He made me promise not to do it and I faithfully kept that promise. I found out later the bullets were Lyman 3118s lubed with Lyman graphite lube. Also the "small" scoop held about 8 gr of Unique and the velocity was about 1400 fps. He also made me promise to re-read the directions when I loaded full power loads. He threw in a pint jar of surplus H4895 and a half box of Speer 170 gr FPs.

He asked if I knew how to zero my rifle as he said this load wouldn't be zeroed. I said I did but he made me explain it anyway. He seemed satisfied as he began filling his pipe with
Prince Albert and asked me how I was going to get all this stuff out to my home which was 5 miles away on James Howe Road. I said I guessed I'd have to carry it since my folks were at work but he laughed and told me to pick up the can of bullets which was full. I knew it was going to be a lonnnnnng walk home!

He said not to worry and gave me a ride home. I still remember the wonderful smell of the
Prince Albert and the magical thoughts that were dancing in my mind on the ride home. I took the reloading stuff in the house and brought out my M94 to show him. He looked it over as if it was the most wonderful rifle he had ever seen! He "hummm'd" at this and "aawwww'd" at that and shouldered it a couple times commenting on the balance and handiness. He handed it back and said it was a very fine rifle indeed. He then said he had to go and I watched him drive down our ranch driveway with his hand and a puff of smoke waving out the window to me.

Well the summer went by and I had many magical experiences hunting and shooting my M94 with that load. I had zeroed the rifle as the old gentleman had said to, at 50 yards. Many a squirrel, a few rabbits and some headshot quail fell to my rifle. Also a large number of pine cones, sticks and dirt clods! Fall came around and I found myself back in Fosters Sporting goods to get some more primers to load up the 170s for deer hunting.

My mother, seeing how much I enjoyed the rifle and reloading, told me to get the gentleman's name the next time I was in Fosters so I could thank him. I asked the guy who ran Fosters if he knew him. He paused and then sadly said he had known the old gentleman for years. Said the old gentleman had "the cancer" and wasn't with us anymore. When the old gentleman saw me in the store the spring before he had already sold most of his rifles and reloading equipment as his own boy had been killed in the Pacific during the war and he didn't have anyone else he wanted to leave the equipment to.

He told me the old gentleman had mentioned me the last time he'd been in saying he'd wished he had a grandson he could teach to reload the way he did me. The guy then reached behind the counter and brought out another coffee can full of cast bullets and a whole brick of primers on top! The guy had a tear in his eye as he slid the can across the counter to me. Then he told me the old gentleman figured I would be needing them. It was a long five mile walk home carrying that coffee can of bullets, I cried the whole way.

Well, a lot of years have gone since then. I went off into the Army and my brother ended up with my M94. His interests were different and the Lee loader was lost somewhere along the way. I finally got the M94 back from him about 10 years ago. It still shoots quite well though I had to have it refinished. This summer my grandson, age 12, came out for a visit from
Florida. He took a real shine to my M94 and shot it a lot. He really likes that it was my first big game rifle and thinks it should be his too! And so it will be. I picked up a new Legacy M94 for me last week with a 24" barrel so I can see the sights. I can't wait for my grandson's next visit when we can both walk through the woods with our M94s.

And, oh yes, there is a Lee loader, a can Of Unique and a coffee can full of Lyman 3118s waiting for him! I'll try to fulfill the old gentleman's wish.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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David Reiss posted this 05 April 2019

I too had a "old guy" that I didn't mention in my post, but did in my introduction as membership director in the FS. As I said I was in college and part of our fledgling pistol team. What I didn't mention this time was the story about Mr. Bill Toney. In the beginning we (all the criminal justice students) just thought he was just an old border patrol agent turned college professor. Little did we know that he was a national pistol champion and instrumental in starting the border patrol academy. That was until one of us rushed into class one day with an old gun rag with Mr. Toney on the front cover with the caption, "East Texans Can Shoot". Then we learned of all of his accomplishments and friendships with the likes of Bill Jordan and Skeeter Skelton, shooting gods to us at the time. It was his suggestion that we start casting. He gave us tips and tricks of both the shooting and casting game.  It was a sad day December 16th, 2010 when he passed on. I will never ever forget him and I often hear his deep voice from behind giving words of encouragement when I make a bad shot. 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys, Good Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

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ALYMAN#1 posted this 08 April 2019

I also have some of the same threads with the souls that taught me as most of you.  My father taught me to  shoot with a tiny Mossberg 142 in the late 40's.  He was raised on what always seemed to me to be a great place (I recently found out that it is now a Lake County OH county park , Indian Point) where his father ran a summer camp for boys with all sorts of fun things (fishing, hunting and fun equipment that we like - 1873 Springfields, etc.  I regret that I never got up there in all these years.  We used to  go to the local pawnshop to drool and very infrequently purchase something such as a Colt New Service.  In college, I somehow siphoned off enough to pick up a 1917 Enfield with a Bishop stock - never found an original stock - and a Ruger auto 22 that foolishly I let my roommate have because he liked it (always an easy touch, maybe).  For Ed, my rat year was 60 and got out in 65 as a co-op at VPI. 

Since then I got into Bullseye and the required casting and still shoot 200 yd hp and SB competitions and enjoy playing with loading for rifles, pistols and mostly revolvers.

Not as exciting as the above but it is amazing how similarly our backgrounds have influenced us to be in this organization.

Al

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Johnshandloads posted this 09 April 2019

I started reloading for pistols several years ago and realized early on that I liked commercial, purchased lead bullets, because they performed well and cost less than jacketed bullets. Originally my plan was to NOT cast my own bullets because of the 'health risks' and 'extra investment'. Once I started shooting a bit more, buying bullets seemed like a waste since I could cast beautiful bullets that would perform well in a .357 magnum and not break the bank. Wadcutters, semi-wadcutters, round nose, flat nose, anything I wanted. So it began.

I had a small source of range scrap that would more than fill my needs and started making ingots before I had a ladle or any molds. Money was tight, but I love hand loading and shooting, so I started the journey of becoming a bullet caster. I made a few pounds of ingots and stashed away a few dollars a week to buy my first mold and a bottom pour pot. In the meantime, I kept making ingots, melting range scrap in a cast iron Dutch oven over my turkey fryer burner. I read everything I could on casting lead, and bought the Lyman cast lead book. I watched youtube videos and filtered all the information through my common sense and the information I read.

I read "From Ingot to Target" and that sealed the deal for me. I was enamored with bullet casting, and had not even cast my first bullet yet. My 'plan' was to make my own bullets so I could supply my shooting needs and only get the minimum number of molds to meet my needs. So I started with one Lee 2 cavity 158 SWC mold and a bottom pour pot. I used tumble lube and at the same time started experimenting with powder coating.

My first 2 powder coatings looked beautiful and then melted in the oven. I was hooked and kept experimenting. The bullets shot beautifully and I was ecstatic with the whole process. From there I bought a mold for 230 grain RN for use in .45 auto, again fantastic results. Next 9 mm Truncated Cone, awesome. So that was it, my handgun needs basically met, no need for anything else, except...So many choices! But then, I decided to start casting for RIFLES. So now my newest endeavor in casting is getting a great .308 Winchester load. I am happy with the results so far but want to be able to get ALL THE WAY out to 400 yards at some point. Still a work in progress...

Why we shoot cast lead bullets? Many reasons, one big one for me - self sufficiency. I also LOVE the process and all the intimacy of each piece and each process, when I am done with a cartridge I am always AMAZED at the results. Great ammunition, enjoyment and fulfillment. The results are great and the journey to get there is enjoyable. Thank you for sharing your stories and thank you for listening to mine.

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tlkeizer posted this 10 April 2019

Greetings,

I  bought a CVA .45 Kentucky Rifle kit around 1979, and figured casting round balls was cheaper than buying them so got a mold, dipper, and small melting pot, which finally died this spring.   Later I bought a maxi-ball mold, and accuracy compared to the RB's was not as good.   Late 80's I bought a CVA Big Bore Mountain Rifle, .58 cal.  So, I needed a couple molds and wound up with 3, 2 RB and 1 Mine Ball.  The only prior exposure was as a HS student when I went with my father to visit a cousin of my mother, and he was casting for revolver.  After the visit my dad made comment on how with all the pouring, sizing, greasing, etc, he did't know why the cousin didn't just buy the bullets, he could afford them and it was a lot less work.  Not a particularly positive experience to build on.

One day after retiring from the postal service (I had already retired from the Army) about 8 or 9 years ago I was surfing the internet, and was looking for casting bullets just for the heck of it and this seemed a positive forum.  I finally had time to start doing things I wanted to do for years, and thought casting might be nice.  So, here I am.  To all of the guys in the forum, thank you.

TK

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