44 special with titegroup powder

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2frogs posted this 19 October 2019

Been seeing several articles about titegroup in the 44 special..

anyone here using it with cast bullets and if so what were the

results? Is it a dirty or clean powder? I have 255 gr swc..

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Ed Harris posted this 20 October 2019

I have not tried it in the .44 Special, specifically, but have with wonderful results in the .455 Mk2, .45 AR, .44-40, .44 Magnum and ,45 Colt.  It measures like water and is clean burning, similar to, but a wee bit faster than Olin WST.  In most calibers you can use Bullseye data with no issues. Looking at the .44 Special data in the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, 4th Edition (2010) on p. 271-272, charges are indeed similar to Bullseye with a bit lower pressure and velocity using the same weight of bullet:

#42798 205 grains #2 alloy, OAL 1.537"

Bullseye start 5.1 grs. 820 fps 10,100 cup, max 5.8 grs. 899 fps 12,700 cup

Titegroup start 5.0 grs. 804 fps 8,600 cup, max. 5.6 grs. 877 fps 11,400 cup

#429215 210 grains #2 alloy, OAL 1.50"

Bullseye start 4.5 grs. 724 fps 9,600 cup, max. 5.0 grs. 799 fps 12,300 cup

TiteGroup start 4.6 grs. 755 fps 9,900 cup, max. 5.2 grs. 822 fps 12,600 cup

#429421 245 grs. #2 alloy, OAL 1.57"

Bullseye start 4.2 grs. 733 fps 10,500 cup, max. 4.8 grs. 786 fps 12,500 cup

TiteGroup start 4.5 grs. 715 fps 8,800 cup, max. 5.0 grs. 777 fps 11,900 cup

They keep pressures mild in the .44 Special in deference to black powder era revolvers not proved for smokeless powder.  In strong, modern revolvers such as the Rugers and Gen2 or later Colts the maximums here can be increased 10% with no worries and pressures should not exceed about 18,000 psi.  

 

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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BigMan54 posted this 21 October 2019

I've been using Titegroup in .44Spl since it came out. It's not perfectly clean with the bottom end loads I use for Cowboy Shooting. But it's cleaner then anything else I've tried. 

I use a 210gr bullet over 3.8grs, Vel - 746fps, CUP - 5,700. A Max charge is 4.5grs, Vel - 973, CUP - 13,100.

240gr bullet over 4.0grs, Vel - 758, CUP - 9,400. Max charge is 4.8grs, Vel - 862, CUP - 13,100.

The Max charge with 240gr bullet is Very Clean.

Titegroup is Position Insensitive. Which is why I started using it over Clays for bottom end charges.

I also use it in .38Spl for Cowboy Loads. Excellent Accuracy.

 

All the above Loads from the Hodgdon Cowboy Reloading Handout dated,  1/03 .

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.

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mashburn posted this 4 weeks ago

Titegroup works well in any cartridge that I have tried it in. I use it almost exclusively in all of my revolver and auto handguns I have all most quit using other powders except for my .41 Magnum heavy hunting revolver.. I have found it is very accurate and clean burning. I use it for heavy and light loads and like they said I measures like a dream. 

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Reeferman posted this 4 weeks ago

It seems to work ok but sure gets the barrel hot compared to Bullseye in 44 special or 45 Colt I use it in.

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Eutectic posted this 3 weeks ago

Tightgroup is an excellent fast pistol powder. Bullseye starting loads should be OK.

Accurate 43-257H 260 gr SWC  in a 5 1/2 " Special, 4.8 grains Tightgroup gave me 700 fs  with low SD and excellent accuracy. 5.2 grains gave 800 fs., so pressure goes up pretty fast.

Do not leave Tightgroup in your powder measure, even overnight. It is high nitroglycerine just like Bullseye and will attack plastic.

Steve

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