Col. Townsend Whelen And Tin Can bullets

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mashburn posted this 30 April 2019

Hello again,

I've always been a Col. Whelen fan and love to read his writings. The other night I was reading one of his writings when he was the commanding officer at the Frankford Arsenal where all of the small arms ammunition for the army was manufactured. He set out to improve all of the ammunition for service rifles and target ammunition for the competition teams. He said that he decided that due to the heat and friction generated in a rifle barrel and knowing that tin would be a good lubricant for 30-06 03 Springfields, he decided to coat the bullets with tin. They sized the cupro-nickel jacketed bullets down and coated them with a .002 coating of tin. When these bullets first went to the rifle team in 1921, it didn't take long for the shooters to nickname them Tin Can bullets. It worked-no more metal fouling and much better accuracy.  This lasted for a while and then, things went to heck. A serious defect occurred, The tin alloyed with the bore of the rifle and created an alloy that had a low melting point and the barrel washed out and eroded very quickly & accuracy went to heck. RESULT-EXPERIMENT FAILED.

What I can't figure out is how did a alloy occur at the temperatures inside a rifle barrel. I thought you had to mix two or more molten metals together to form an alloy. Is it possible that the tin just embedded itself into the rifle barrel by temperature and pressure? But he said it eroded horribly. Would it be possible that the cupro-nickel jacket with the tin coating caused this problem? Lets hear your opinion?

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 30 April 2019

Mashburn,

Yes, metals will move and integrate onto and into another metal. I don't know that it is technically an "alloy". The classic is galvanizing, or zinc plating of steel. The coating is self-healing, or the zinc coating will move and cover small scratches and rub marks. Normally this is only a few molecules thick, but for "Parkerizing' i.e. phosphorous it can be several thousandths thick. Parkerizing is done at room temperature, so heat is not required.

I understood that the tin coated bullet main problem was the bullet adhering to the case neck raising pressure, but it has been many years since I read the article. I know the answer was to just add powdered tin to the powder coating and making the "1/2" series of IMR powders by DuPont.

Ric

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TRKakaCatWhisperer posted this 30 April 2019

The surface temperature of the bullet (and quite possibly the bore) is VERY high from the friction.  If you were to pick up a bullet a few seconds after firing it will burn your fingers (I know from experience).

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John Alexander posted this 30 April 2019

Another example of two pieces of metal integrating as Ric mentions is the type of welding a blacksmith does. Two pieces of hot solid metal pressed together by pounding become one solid piece. This can be done with static pressure given the right combination of temperature, metal, pressure and time.  Or at room temperature with the right combination as in the case necks being soldered to the bullets at room temperature in the Frankfort Arsenal example. We think of welding or soldering as having a liquid involved but it ain't necessarily needed if other conditions are right.

John

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TRKakaCatWhisperer posted this 30 April 2019

Look up spin-welding for another example of how hot the metal gets when rubbing

 

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bdrake71 posted this 03 May 2019

http://www.odcmp.org/1101/can.pdf
Page 6 of this old yarn from the CMP Website.
talks about the tin-plating reacting in the neck of the brass cartridge.

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