FREECHEX II Bench Rest Test

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JackG posted this 19 April 2009

I compete regularly in CBA bench rest matches and normally have a more than adequate supply of reloading materials.  An order with Midway for a couple of thousand gas checks was 2 months on backorder and my supply was running short.  So I purchased a 30 cal.  FREECHEX II on ebay and started experimenting to see if it would produce similar results as compared to the Hornaday units and act as a backup if the shortage continued. 

Even though aluminum is suppose to be OK as a check material, I cringed at the thought of possibly scratching my new Lilja hand lapped barrel and opted to buy some 0.010” soft copper sheet and 0.012” brass shim stock for testing.  I used a 1 ton Harbor Freight (inexpensive) arbor press (1/2 ton or mallet would also be OK) and the fit was snug on the 0.283” OD GC shank of the custom 170 Gr. LBT bullet running a BHN of 27.  This is loaded in a 30 BR configuration with 33 Gr. of Varget speeding along at about 2,500 fps.  I normally shoot sub-MOA with the occasional flyer.  The test on these two materials produced the following 5 shot groups at 100 yards:

0.012” Brass:   A.)      1.160”  (0.792”  4/5)

B.)      0.674”  

0.010” Copper

  A.)               1.270”

B.)               0.645”  

I cleaned between each metal.  Seems like I need more foulers and less cleaning.  What this does tell me is that lack of commercial GCs would not prevent me from competing.   

On the economics of it all, the copper was expensive for the small quantity I bought, a 6” x 12” sheet at $9.00 plus shipping ”€œ an emotional buy to get things started.  I then bought a 6” x 100” roll of half hard brass shim stock from McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com/>http://www.mcmaster.com) for $19,48 plus shipping which will give me 2.600 GCs and most importantly keep me in business with a metal I trust.

I would use the brass in competition, but I would anneal them as I do with the Hornaday's but didn't do it in this test.  Midway informed me that my 2 boxes of backordered GCs are on their way so I will use them in future matches as the additional time needed to make the GCs is something I'd rather not do at this time. Maybe after I retire.  But it is nice to know that I now have a viable backup system if copper supply becomes a problem ”€œ I read somewhere that the Chinese are making a heavy investment in copper to replace the US Greenback, so who knows.  

I just though I would share the results of today's test for anyone having trouble getting GCs.   :)

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ubetcha posted this 19 April 2009

I also have thought about looking into a freechek or a similar system made by PatMarlin on cast boolits.Has anyone tested how the aluminum checks work and inspected their bbls for any damage after their use?The idea of producing checks from aluminum cans or bottles sure would make things cheaper,but not at the lose of accuracy or bbl damage

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CB posted this 19 April 2009

Nice report Jack I'm going to have to look into that thing.

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JeffinNZ posted this 19 April 2009

Can I recommend the Freechex II and arbor press over “Pat Marlins” system?  You will knock out checks MUCH faster on the Freechex II system with the Harbor Freight press.  Pat's system is, in my opinion, clever but unnecessarily complex.  The Freechex II system has fewer steps.  See this for the Freechex II in action:

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Cheers from New Zealand

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CB posted this 20 April 2009

IMHO, the aluminum is not going to “Scratch” your barrel. As for ware, you will probably never shoot nearly the rounds it would take to show any appreciable ware due to the abrasion of the aluminum check.

This has been researched and rehashed and so on. If money is a factor, the aluminum is cheap or free if you use empties and makes a good GC. Don't be scared off by not investigating . I have the frechex II in 30,44 & 45 and I use the Alum with no adverse effects. If you want more info, go to the Cast Boolit site and do a search.

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JackG posted this 20 April 2009

maddenja wrote: IMHO, the aluminum is not going to “Scratch” your barrel. As for ware, you will probably never shoot nearly the rounds it would take to show any appreciable ware due to the abrasion of the aluminum check.

This has been researched and rehashed and so on. If money is a factor, the aluminum is cheap or free if you use empties and makes a good GC. Don't be scared off by not investigating . I have the frechex II in 30,44 & 45 and I use the Alum with no adverse effects. If you want more info, go to the Cast Boolit site and do a search.

Maddenja:

The logic side of my brain totally agrees with you.  I've researched the web and the Cast Boolit site and if I were going to use aluminum I would probably use 0.011" discarded offset lithographic printing plates.  However, at this stage in my life I want to shoot in competition the best I can.  I don't want to take the time to test potentially larger changes in my setup.  Copper/brass is closest to the commercial stuff I normally use and $20 for 2,600 GCs is not going to kill me.  I think most of us get into casting our own bullets for economical reasons.  When one gets into serious competition, one asks oneself, “...what the heck was I thinking."

After pondering about it until my head hurts, my mind wanders across a thought that says that aluminum oxide, the hardest stuff known to man, next to diamonds (the hardest stuff known to women), is made from aluminum.  I am a Chemical Engineer and have a flair for the technical stuff.  I've read metallurgists opinions that you probably won't make aluminum oxide just by exposing it to air, or the plastic coating on the Bud can will probably protect the virgin aluminum from oxidation.  Sounds like a definite maybe to me.  Being schizophrenic at times, I go back to the logical side of my brain and ask myself why doesn't Hornaday make an aluminum alternate, especially with the shortages of copper and brass?  Back to the emotional: maybe they are just evil capitalists cornering the market and making us all suffer.  I'm sure somebody is getting very rich making GCs. Ha!  I'm not willing to see if my custom made, hand lapped barrel will last a few thousand rounds with free aluminum GCs (as I cradle my rifle in my arms - .)  Back to logical: My previous custom barrel has tens of thousands of rounds with Copper GCs through it with no visible or reduced performance signs of wear. That I can attest to.  Aluminum, I can't and am not interested in the long term testing of it. You and others with that interest can do that and report later on.  Since aluminum GCs seems to be a fairly new undertaking, I doubt if anybody can say that they have put tens of thousands of rounds through a quality barrel without wear.  Maybe you are right.  If so why not form a company to make inexpensive aluminum GCs and put Hornaday out of business and get rich at the same time.  Ha.  In the mean time I will coddle my new barrel, thank you.

I sometimes have difficulty with anachronisms, esplain: IMHO?  Thanks.

 

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Ed Harris posted this 20 April 2009

I saw some M16s damaged with exerimental Al cased rounds which which the cases split and the chambers were damaged beyond repair and showed deep burned-in gouges which went through the chamber chrome plating. FA ended up putting an “FIE” or flexible internal element in the case to seal any leaks, simlar to a “self sealing”  tire, but this requirement reduced powder capacity, so the idea was abandoned, at least for 5.56mm ammo, by the late 1970s. 

While lower pressure Al cased rounds like .38 Special Blazer work fine, I bad vibes about the potential for a thermite reaction inside a gun tube if they were tried at much higher pressures. Army ordnance textbooks indicate that a thermite reaction requires an initiating temperature of about 1300 degs. C,

so... In My Humble Opinion (IMHO) one  is highly unlikely in our cast bullet scenarios, short of a major FUBAR!  (as voiced by GySgt R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket)

(A "sanitized” explanation of the common military expression is "Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition.” as in a REALLY stupid mistake, that you should have known better.)

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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RicinYakima posted this 20 April 2009

IMHO = “in my humble opinion"

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JackG posted this 20 April 2009

Thank you all, I am now an expert on the term IMHO.

The endearing terms FUBAR and SNAFU I previously understood, completely.  With expertice. 

How did we get from a possible but unlikely long term scratching of a barrel with Aluminum GCs, to Blowing The Friggin' Chamber Up  With A Thermite Explosion (BTFCUWATE) from an aluminum case?

That's IT !!!!  I'm sticking to brass with both my GCs and my cases.  Ed, your scaring the hell out of me.  Let's save the aluminum for building another Zepplin.  .>

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JetMech posted this 20 April 2009

ROTFLMAO!

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JackG posted this 20 April 2009

Bill, 

Looked it up on Google.  Glad you like it.

 

 

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JetMech posted this 21 April 2009

I had to do the same when Ed posted it awhile back. Otherwise, I'd have to ask one of my teenagers.;)

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codarnall posted this 21 April 2009

Actually aluminum oxide is not next to diamond in hardness unless you have the addition of the Cr atom.  Then the stuff then is called a Ruby so it's written Al2O3::Cr.  For the longest time it was considered next hardest to diamond but it's third in line.  Aluminum is not new to gc's the history of it use goes back at least 35 years.  Of course it's hard so is sodium chloride.  So are the conjugations of most metals.  If you want to talk about abrasives talk about graphite.  It on slips on itself, that all.  The boundary layer is extremely abrasive, probably the most abrasive suff shot down the bore.

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JeffinNZ posted this 21 April 2009

This troubles me.  I have be called both a bore (boar?) and abrasive

Cheers from New Zealand

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JetMech posted this 22 April 2009

codarnall wrote: If you want to talk about abrasives talk about graphite.  It on slips on itself, that all.  The boundary layer is extremely abrasive, probably the most abrasive suff shot down the bore. You guys continue to amaze me with the breadth of knowlege you bring to the table. I've always wondered about graphite as it's touted as an good dry lubricant, but I've found it ineffective in applications such as my Rockchucker press ram. The graphite doesn't stay on the ram, only in the bore. So after a few strokes, the ram no longer feels lubricated and I have noted scratches on the ram. This explains it. Thanks.

:dude:

Back to the original post, it's interesting that brass served well as a substitute for copper. The only possible fly in the ointment goes back to the argument about the use of aluminum. Researching brass, I came asross this in Wikipedia:” Aluminium makes brass stronger and more corrosion resistant. Aluminium also causes a highly beneficial hard layer of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxide>aluminium oxide (Al2O3) to be formed on the surface that is thin, transparent and self healing.” It goes on to state that zinc is used for the same purpose in marine brass. so I guess you need to pay attention to what type of brass you use. I know that brass shim stock I've had on hand for years hasn't discolored or shown any signs of corrosion, unlike the brass weights in my Gradfather's clock. I don't know what it's alloyed with but there's definitely something that keeps it from corroding.

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JackG posted this 22 April 2009

codarnall wrote: Actually aluminum oxide is not next to diamond in hardness unless you have the addition of the Cr atom.  Then the stuff then is called a Ruby so it's written Al2O3::Cr.  For the longest time it was considered next hardest to diamond but it's third in line.  Aluminum is not new to gc's the history of it use goes back at least 35 years.  Of course it's hard so is sodium chloride.  So are the conjugations of most metals.  If you want to talk about abrasives talk about graphite.  It on slips on itself, that all.  The boundary layer is extremely abrasive, probably the most abrasive suff shot down the bore.

You missed the point: diamonds are still the hardest stuff known to women.  So there!  And I intend to use sodium chloride on my steaks and chops no matter what anybody says.

Update, Update:  My order for 2,000 30 Cal. gas checks came in today from Midway and will be my  metal of choice until they are no longer available.  I can now sleep at night not having to worry if a chromium atom or two is going to contaminate my brass sheet.  I'm taking the new FREECHEX II tool along with the brass roll and the copper sheet, all purchased in a panic (because nothing short of death is going to keep me from punching holes in paper and 100 and 200 yards) and store them next to the stores of food stuff, bottled water and other sundry items in preparation for the apocalypse.  :shock:

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codarnall posted this 23 April 2009

Stopped in a small town, Globe Az. at the WalMart.  The ammo doesn't last an hour 80 bricks that is.  Same story everywhere. No more for 3 weeks or so.

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JetMech posted this 23 April 2009

You should have picked up some of the local product in Globe. Back in 1977, I used to drive a truck delivering restraunt supplies out of Phoenix to Globe. The local product? Copper! The biggest employer in town was the mine.

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codarnall posted this 23 April 2009

Yes, and the town was just about ghost like and shut down because of the weakness in copper .  Folks then were considering a new Walmart store comming to town.  They expressed hope it would breath life into the complex (five little cities).  Those were Jimmy Carter daze too,  I can report that it is doing well because of the Supercenter.  Same here in Socorro NM.  I was warned that there would be no ammo here either.  Still $14.97 a 550 box of  Federal, my favorite.   Hornady may produce more, but as a gent pointed out to me in a PM the other day something like Prop 65 in Ca. will come along and shut them down too.  I see leadless partition bullets showing up in the small store in Camarillo.  Barret told Califorina “screw you” we won't sell our products in CA period, law enforcement dept's or not.  We have to stay ahead of the “fine folks".

Charlie

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35Whelen posted this 25 April 2009

 I bought a FreeChex II recently because 1) I'm sick if high copper prices, 2) I'm sick of depending on someone else for my bullet making supplies (Midway USA, MidSouth, et al) and most of all 3) because I'm a tightwad:P

   Here's a copy of a post of mine from Cast Boolits: 

Someone may have already discovered this source of aluminum, but.....

     I ordered and received a Free Chex II gas check maker. It came with a small piece of aluminum .0095” flashing which was easy to use in making checks, but the checks were too thin for my tastes and could easily be pulled off.   As a result I modified the unused end of the check punch in my lathe so as to make the I.D. of the check smaller, but still no joy. So off I go in search of thicker check material. None of the hardware stores in my area had anything but the aforementioned “thin” flashing. Standing in Lowe's scratching my head, I thought of the metal “No Trespassing", “Garage Sale", etc. signs.  I found them, whipped the micrometer out of my pocket and violá! .0125"! Perfect! $1.99 + tax and I'm out of there.

  Back at the bench, stamping checks out of the sign is quite easy and they make nice looking checks. As best I can figure, one sign should net around 550 .30 caliber gas checks.   Either way, the checks crimped firmly onto my 314299 bullets and I couldn't pry them off with my fingers.  

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codarnall posted this 25 April 2009

I just found various thicknesses at ACE hardware. All basically are 25 Square feet for $21. .0092, .0079, .014 . I purchased the .092 4"X 50'. I've been buying .008 from HomeDepot. and personally having excellent luck.
Charlie

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