Army & Navy Cooperative Society Rook Rifle

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Ed Harris posted this 21 October 2011

Recently received this rifle back from John Taylor. Original iron sights regulated for the blackpowder .255 Rook cartridge shot to point of aim at 50 yards with PMC 98-gr. LRN .32 S&W Long ammo. Point of impact with the other two sight leaves shooting at 50 yards is shown. Average of five consecutive 5-shot groups at 50 yards with 6X Unertl small game scope was 1.4 inches with smallest group 0.9” and largest 1.75".

Next outing I will shoot handloads with Saeco #322 seated out to engrave rifling upon chambering, with 2 grs. of Bullseye and similar load with RCBS .310 Cadet heeled bullet. Stay tuned.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Davo posted this 21 January 2012

Ed, I have been usign a roudnball roll-crimped into the 16 ga. W/a heavy charge of Hodgdon's ? (Darn mental blocks! :-( A black powder substitute...Not Trail Boss, and certainly NOT corrosive Pyrodex!), some wads and SPG lube it woudl cut 4/4 into the size of a playing card @ 40 yds. and pattern impr. cyl. w/birdshot. Shoots buckshot well, too. Potential all-around gun for AO's w/ thick cover,smallgame plus deer and feral hogs/blackbear (sounds a little like 'heaven' ;-) but the Brenneke slug kind of put the brakes to dragging on Col.Fosbery's very interesting invention, 1st offered to public by H&H in 1885. Davo

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raytear posted this 21 January 2012

DAVO,

A couple of years ago Ross Seyfried had an article on making Paradox guns shoot properly. It was in either Rifle or Handloader. If you are interested You might be able to find it by going to the Wolfe Publising Co. website and checking for articles in back issues.  Some of the techniques Seyfried used were rather counter-intuitive, as I recall.

FWIW.

Good shooting! RT

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Ed Harris posted this 21 January 2012

Ric,

If you have Google Maps up, I am on the west slope of North Mountain on top of a bluff over Back Creek, above the bend in the road approaching Glengary, Unincorporated. I am close enough to the Peacemaker National Training Center www.peacemakernational.com that I can hear gunfire coming from the 1000 yard rifle deck.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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RicinYakima posted this 21 January 2012

Davo, You may want to consider looking for an early H&R 410 shotgun. Very resonable in cost and sized for the 410, weights about 4 pounds.

Ed, Found Gerrardstown on the map, looks like a nice area. I have been close to there, but not at that point.

Ric

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Davo posted this 21 January 2012

I have messed around with several Paradox-bored barrels in .410/.45 Colt, T/C Contender and NEF rifle,  and 16 ga. (made by back-boring a rifled 20 ga. NEF.) Even wasted alot of time and $ on the lamentable Taurus Judge:X

I just want a very light, very good patterning very small gauge shotgun, with a hammer, good for 25 or 30 yds. :-)

Davo

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Ed Harris posted this 21 January 2012

While .410 is an easy do, you might look hard at a slow twist rifled barrel, say 20 inches per turn in .45 Colt or .44-40/.410 which work pretty well.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Ed Harris posted this 21 January 2012

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73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Davo posted this 20 January 2012

LUVELY rifle, Sir!!!

I have a very shabby side-lever Rook rifle in .360..Very pitted, sears boogered and action loose. (Odd in that it had no forend wood to begin with, just a real nice dense-grain dark euro walnut straight-gripped buttstock.)

If the action can be tightened-up and the sears re-built, I am going to try to trade for re-bore to a modified choke 2 1/2” .410. Book CLIMBING THE NORTHFACE OF THE .410 has pic of one so converted. (And an awful lot of info. about loading for very small ga. scatter-pieces;)!)

When I am sometimes too shakey and slow to “hold hard” on squirrels with my suppressed Izmash 7-2 .22LR, the realization struck me that I would be pretty well off with a very small ga. shotgun that was light and handy, and not loaded with a charge of shot heavier than 5/8 oz.

Davo

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RicinYakima posted this 27 December 2011

Ed, A lovely rifle and a good shooter, must be worth keeping.Ric

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Ed Harris posted this 27 December 2011

Shot the rifle yesterday with the iron sights at 50, 100 and 150 yards. The original open sight leaves regulated for its original .255 chambering shoot on for range using the LBT .312-105FNBB bullet and 2.5 grains of Bullseye, about 1050 f.p.s. With the plain open sights it will shoot a clean score off the bench on the reduced military SR1 bullseye target with a fair X count. It's essentially a 3 m.o.a. rifle with iron sights if your eyeballs are screwed down tight.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Vassal posted this 27 December 2011

Man that is nice. If I had a gun like that I'd be afraid to shoot it!

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72coupe posted this 26 December 2011

That is spectacular. I hope it lives on forever in your family with people that will appreciate it.

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RKing22 posted this 26 December 2011

Mr. Harris , that is a most beautiful rifle. I have wanted one since reading your article in Gun Digest several years ago. I bet it feels wonderful in the hands on a cool november morning!

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RicinYakima posted this 25 December 2011

Ed,

My bunny gun is ready! That would really be a smart thing to do, run it ourselves. It doesn't have to be complicated. Mail the targets to Ed. He scores on the first day of the month for targets received prior. (You shot late? Too bad, have to count for the next match.)

I'll buy coffee for every month's winner that comes to Yakima!!

Ric

p.s. I've gotten pictures to post by just pushing the send button, and walking away from the computer. It seems to load a some point in 5 minutes or so.

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Ed Harris posted this 24 December 2011

I think the CBA Board decided that there were already enough postal matches and the director of postal competitions didn't want the additional work. I volunteered to help score the targets and run it, but never heard back.

My suggestion lets play with it here, shoot the NRA Bunny target you can buy from Midway and post photos of your results. I will do so if others will.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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.22-10-45 posted this 24 December 2011

Hello, Ed Harris. I have a soft spot for these rook rifles..not too many seen in my area..and most are worn out. Never owned one..but this may change later in the new year..if owner & I can come to agreement. It is a 297/250..I just picked up a dbl. cavity Lyman 252435, NIB. You can always tell if someons got it bad for a firearm...when they start gathering components BEFORE they even have it! Whatever happened to the proposed new postal rook match? I didn't see anything in the CBA postal rule book that I just recieved? Good luck with that very nice looking rook..& perhaps I too will be able to do a write up on these facinating little rifles.

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Ed Harris posted this 23 December 2011

New eye candy, got the restored rifle back from Lucas Geiger. Don't ask what it cost. If you find it necessary to ask, then you cannot afford it.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Ed Harris posted this 28 October 2011

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73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Ed Harris posted this 28 October 2011

72coupe wrote: Will your powder measure throw 1 grain of Bullseye? The lightest charge mine will throw is 2.1 grains. Its an RCBS Uniflow.

My Culver pistol measure will accurately throw 1 grain of Bullseye to +/- 0.05 grain. Homer has gone to Valhalla AND THERE AREN'T ANY MORE. RCBS little dandy 00 rotor will accurately throw 1.5 to 1.7 depending on your rotor and powder lot.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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72coupe posted this 28 October 2011

Will your powder measure throw 1 grain of Bullseye? The lightest charge mine will throw is 2.1 grains. Its an RCBS Uniflow.

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